See, that's where I couldn't tell the difference. I go over there so infrequently and I recognized some titles I had seen before so I didn't know which ones were jokes. "Ratings: How much we Suck" seems like a possible twop title.

It does.

If you read the "Wish List" thread - we were having fun with that yesterday.

So the show returns tonight, with the witch episode that so many people hate so, so very much?

I liked it.

What did you like about it, P-C?

This is one of the main offenders against a couple of groups I have membership in, so I'm curious as to whatever redeeming qualities it may have.

I enjoyed the plotting of it, the way we were led to believe we knew who the villain was, and then she died, so then we thought it was the book club, and then Ruby said there was someone bigger, so then we thought it was that one lady, and then it turned out to be that other one. Plus, there were some interesting Ruby scenes, especially her confrontations with Dean and the hint of her backstory with the other demon.

Also, I thought the book club = coven idea was really amusing. Especially because it took me a couple scenes to completely get the joke.

Okay, I appreciate your telling me. Thank you.

You know, if it weren't for the omg BLATANT misogyny, I might have liked the episode, too. I mean, it did have a sneaky plot, and there was some interesting stuff revealed about Ruby.

But I can't get past the idea that the showrunners don't want me watching the show. Based mostly on that episode (okay, and a few others).

And Dean stabbing the demon over and over and over? Not attractive.

I agree on that one. That was...uncalled for. But I think it was supposed to be a character point. Kind of like Sam beheading Gordon with his bare hands.

But I can't get past the idea that the showrunners don't want me watching the show. Based mostly on that episode (okay, and a few others).

I *wish* you'd been able to get up here last weekend! I could have had someone other than Jillian to discuss my whole notion about what happens when publisher/network agendas and authorial misanthropy collide, with nods to Killing Joke and MM!

I don't think Moore or Edlund are the world's worst misogynists. I think, however, that the two of them have some of the stronger misanthropic streaks* I've seen from writers who are capable of producing amazingly humanist, touching pieces. And I think that when that's combined with a desire on the part of, say, DC editorial or the CW to attract a specific, masculine fanbase, the effect is in many ways worse than, say, watching an hour of James Cameron or Chris Carter's Unresolved Issues With The Women or reading something by Frank Miller.

* See: much of Edlund's early comics work and/or Hollywood Babylon.