It's my estimation that... every man ever got a statue made of him, was one kind of sumbitch or another.

Mal ,'Jaynestown'


Supernatural 1: Saving People, Hunting Things - the Family Business  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though -- if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Morgana - Mar 01, 2008 7:42:29 pm PST #6609 of 10002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

plus I don't like how she's being used as part of the whole "Dean is Dumb" undertone that's been there this season.

That's one of issues raised by several of the commenters after that interview -- that every time she appears, the IQ level of the Winchesters drops. Not just in an "oh look, a pretty woman" kind of way, but because she's stolen items from them, what, four times now?

Personally, I don't buy her repeatedly getting the drop on them. Frankly, they were raised to be con men, to whatever degree. They're pros too, at their own level. Especially after the rabbit's foot incident, they'd be on guard around her. It wouldn't happen a second time. Much less a third.


Beverly - Mar 01, 2008 9:18:03 pm PST #6610 of 10002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I like Bela! Because she's pretty and has an accent.

Okay, but does she have to walk and talk? Can we just have a little picture of her up in the corner of the screen?

...okay, totally ripped off Poundstone about Darryl Hannah, but it does apply in this case.

I've pinned down what bugs me about Cassidy--it's her body language. She moves like she's wearing one of those old fashioned back supporters, or a truss. Or very extremely high heels she's afraid she's going to fall off of. It has nothing to do with her acting skills, or how attractive a person she may be. It's taken me a while to pin down what put me off about her, and that's it.

As for the character, Ruby has always fallen in the "hate to hate" category. She's sparked a tiny flicker of empathy once or twice, but I've never believed she was on the side of humanity in this fight, and I don't think her advice is good for Sam to follow. Of course that just makes it delightfully tangled.

I miss Ellen, too. Hell, I miss Jo. And Hailey, and Officer Kathleen.


Typo Boy - Mar 01, 2008 9:26:49 pm PST #6611 of 10002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Personally, I don't buy her repeatedly getting the drop on them. Frankly, they were raised to be con men, to whatever degree. They're pros too, at their own level. Especially after the rabbit's foot incident, they'd be on guard around her. It wouldn't happen a second time. Much less a third.

At the level of storytelling I agree with you. But the nitpicker in me can't help mentioning that nobody is easier to con than a con-man.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 01, 2008 10:03:01 pm PST #6612 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Honestly, Dean and Sam should just spread word to all the hunters via Bobby and Ellen that Bela has the Colt. They might not get it back themselves, but that would virtually assure that someone would be out there killing demons with it in short order.


Amy - Mar 01, 2008 11:48:04 pm PST #6613 of 10002
Because books.

Ruby doesn't do much for me. I think I would have bought the centuries-old demon a little better if the character had been played by an older woman, with a little more range. Cassidy plays it, in my opinion, as strictly snarky-sexy, with a side of trying-to-be-hip, and it's just sort of one-note.

I think Bela's character is fascinating. Sam and Dean have only ever encountered other *hunters* till now, and even in the case of someone like Gordon, who turned out to be dangerously single-minded, they all had the same bond Bobby mentions, the loss of someone close to them. And even when Gordon's methods and philosophy turned out to be too brutal for them to tolerate, he was, like every other hunter, at least trying to save innocent people.

Bela, on the other hand, knows as much or more about the supernatural as they do, and for the first time she has no interest in using that knowledge for the good of humanity. I think there has to be (should be?) a reason for how she got into the business, and it could be interesting to find out what it was, especially if it involves loss. As a foil to Sam and Dean and Bobby, she works pretty well for me because they really have to stop and *remember* that she's not going to do *anything* out of the goodness of her heart, and that's simply incredibly foreign to them. Dean may be tired, may have been for a while, but he can't stop and leave innocent people to die, even if he'd like a break.

I had a thought at the end of Jus in Bello, based off her comment to Dean that he "didn't know anything about her" and her uncomfortable expression when she hung up and glanced at the Colt on the seat beside her. What if the little girl Lilith's inhabiting is her daugher?

N.B. I'm on major painkillers, which are making me fuzzy and still not knocking back all the HOLY SHIT OW, and it's 4:45 a.m. EST. So take the above with a liberal application of salt.


Anne W. - Mar 02, 2008 3:04:32 am PST #6614 of 10002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Ruby doesn't do much for me. I think I would have bought the centuries-old demon a little better if the character had been played by an older woman, with a little more range.

Amy and are share a brain on this.

With Bela, I like the idea of the character (again, Amy and I share a brain as to why), but there's something off in the execution that makes a delicious idea not as delicious as it should be. It's like having a lasagna that's made with home-made noodles, fresh herbs, and tomato sauce from tomatoes grown in your own garden - but overcooked and using supermarket-brand rubberized shredded mozzerella for the chees.


sumi - Mar 02, 2008 4:08:11 am PST #6615 of 10002
Art Crawl!!!

Bev - yes! They need to put KC in some giant motorcycle boots or Docs. I know that they've been putting her in v. high heels because she is wee and the boys are tall but - height does not equal power or physical presence. . . they need to watch Summer Glau or Eliza Dushku. (Plus, it could be that physical presence is something you either have or don't have.)


Anne W. - Mar 02, 2008 4:52:20 am PST #6616 of 10002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Sumi, now you've got me thinking of what Ruby would be like if played by Summer Glau, and now I'm bitter all over again.


sumi - Mar 02, 2008 5:19:52 am PST #6617 of 10002
Art Crawl!!!

That's okay - now you know how I feel when somebody at TWOP said something that made me imagine Kristen Bell as Bela.


Ailleann - Mar 02, 2008 5:21:35 am PST #6618 of 10002
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

I'd love to see Bela played by Morena Baccarin.

I agree that Ruby needs some presence, and the snark just isn't enough.