I thought the "Do you even have an original thought?" was really telling.

That's the kind of insult Sam would have flung at him during season one, and I don't think even Sam would say that to him now. Dean's being awfully hard on himself.

Thank you, Amy! I rewound and played that line three times and still couldn't figure out what it was.

And I do agree that it was a huge step for Dean to even be able to voice his resentment. Perhaps the only way he could get it out was to shout it, more vehemently than he actually believes.

I'm secretly smiling because I read a fic this week that ended with Dean confessing to Sam that he didn't want to die, or go to hell. And much like tonight's response, Sam just smiled and said, "Well, let's get on that, then."

Got it, Anne, and backflung.

I liked this ep. It wasn't exactly groundbreaking, but there was some funny mixed in (How adorkable was Sam about Bela?), we got some backstory, and it moved the arc forward a bit.

Yeah, I'm enough of a John apologist that I really had to look at that whole scene as Dean finally admitting how much he resented the entirety of his life being shaped by John's quest. I mean, in the sense that when you have a feeling and you don't express it, it gets built up and twisted into this huge thing before it finally explodes. And this is that point: it's appropriate for a kid to reject his father, it's how you grow up and move on and take your place as an adult in a lot of ways--and Dean never had that rite of passage, that step forward on his own.

So this was that moment for Dean, rejecting all of that. What I would hope for is that at some point he makes some peace with John at least in his own memory. Because he can't just go on hating John: John shaped him so much, it would be hating himself. He has to accept his past and build on it.

As Nutty says, he needs to build his own identity, and I think that has to include coming to terms with who he is outside of just his blood relationships.

The resentment's been hinted at since Skin, at least. I think the most telling part was the couldn't-save-Mom part, because it shows how far back it really went, and how some of it would have been there no matter how they'd been raised.

Or, what Suela and Amy said.

Okay, the stuff about the music, etc. being John's is just plain creepy.

I CALLED THAT. I totally did. (I mean, so did a million other people, but still! I did! I can dig up the LJ post from 2006!)

And we've known about the jacket since Something Wicked, yeah?

Think so, yes.

And we've known about the jacket since Something Wicked, yeah?

Oh now, you're gonna make me go and watch it again, aren't you? *Such* a hardship.

I blame the Cold from Hell--or gradeschooler, take your choice--for making me slow on the uptake about the resentment finally boiling over. It does make more sense if viewed that way.

I need to watch again, but there was some stuff (e.g. about the music, the coat, etc.) that almost suggested to me that his resentment of John was strongly tied up in his resentment of himself

Totally this.

I love the way they brought back Sam's precognition - v. amusing. I think that wackjob experimental subject became really adept at dreamwalking because he practiced ALOT and that's how he could figure out what would screw you over so much. I love the way that Sam identified for Dean where that house was.

And I have to say, I love that the exterior of the house exactly matched the blue stripe on Sam's shirt and that Dean's green shirt matched the furniture in the house.

(I am also imagining Sam explaining to Dean when it was that the pre-cog came back. ... hee.)

Oops.