They should film that story and show it every Christmas.

Xander ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Supernatural 1: Saving People, Hunting Things - the Family Business  

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Nutty - Dec 14, 2007 7:40:10 am PST #4975 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Dad got to the hunt, realized it wasn't there, but couldn't exactly turn around again. Lives, they were at stake!

I think if Dad had actually done this he would not have survived to 52. Also, if he happened to have done this on this particular hunt, and returned in something approximating one piece, Sam would not have survived to age 10.

Putting a member of your family in grave danger due to fuckheadedness (non-emergency curiosity and theft) is one of the few justifications I can think of for serious corporal punishment, and I'm not even a Marine.


sumi - Dec 14, 2007 7:42:25 am PST #4976 of 10002
Art Crawl!!!

Richard Carver - who totally redeems himself from the mess that was Sin City.


P.M. Marc - Dec 14, 2007 8:12:28 am PST #4977 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I think if Dad had actually done this he would not have survived to 52.

I think if he'd needed the hunters version of an open book test after almost a decade of doing it, he wouldn't have survived until 52.


Polter-Cow - Dec 14, 2007 8:19:19 am PST #4978 of 10002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Richard Carver - who totally redeems himself from the mess that was Sin City.

You mean Jeremy Carver.


Beverly - Dec 14, 2007 8:26:34 am PST #4979 of 10002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Yes, I got the impression that the book was where he recorded his experience after he'd exorcised or salted and burnt or otherwise defeated ghouls, ghosts, what have you. As well as research notes before he went up against something new to him. I think the only time the brothers actually have it in hand during the climax of a hunt is for reading an exorcism litany, once they get past Wendigo.

You know, Whedon was much subtler about his father issues than Kripke tends to be. Shame, really, that he can't adapt that tenet of his original concept to how the show has evolved, the way he has done with other facets.


SuziQ - Dec 14, 2007 8:30:37 am PST #4980 of 10002
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

I agree with Beverly and Plei, yet you would think he would have a safer place to stash it than a place where wee!Sam could get his hands on it.


Lee - Dec 14, 2007 8:33:45 am PST #4981 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I still don't buy it, unless Sam did steal the journal. Even if/though John did not need it during the actual nitty gritty of the hunt, he would have had it with him for reference and to record things accurately immediately afterwards.

Bad plot point, no cookie!


P.M. Marc - Dec 14, 2007 8:34:45 am PST #4982 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I don't think Whedon was ANY subtler about his Daddy issues.

In fact, I think his Daddy issues had way, way less nuance. Which is scary.


Ailleann - Dec 14, 2007 8:39:38 am PST #4983 of 10002
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

I think if he'd needed the hunters version of an open book test after almost a decade of doing it, he wouldn't have survived until 52.

Word. I agree with Bev, that it was probably largely an after-the-fact kind of thing. Stopping in the middle of a hunt to take notes seems like a good way to get dead.

I agree with Beverly and Plei, yet you would think he would have a safer place to stash it than a place where wee!Sam could get his hands on it.

Sam's a watcher. He's probably been trying to figure his Dad out. His theory was fully formed before he confronted Dean about it. And John's got a biiiig blind spot when it comes to Sam, probably especially at that age. He was counting on Dean to take care of Sam, so he wasn't paying attention to Sam watching him.

(I'd really love to see the confrontation between Sam and John.)


Nutty - Dec 14, 2007 8:54:24 am PST #4984 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Stopping in the middle of a hunt to take notes seems like a good way to get dead.

But, like, what do we see in canon? Characters arrive, sometimes with a good idea of what's going on but often without one, consult the book, sometimes the book has the necessary information and sometimes it doesn't.

If you've driven 400 miles just to investigate something, and discover that your primary research resource has been filched out from under your nose, at the very least I think you'd be phenomenally irritated.

And this IS John Winchester we're talking about, the most secretive, control-freaky weirdo this side of the Unabomber. In a lot of ways, the book is his diary, and a self-righteous thirteen year old girl is as nothing to the anger of a private man seeing his private thoughts read without permission.