Well, look at you. All dressed up in big sister's clothes.

Faith ,'End of Days'


Supernatural 1: Saving People, Hunting Things - the Family Business  

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DebetEsse - Aug 15, 2007 7:57:27 am PDT #1243 of 10002
Woe to the fucking wicked.

So, here's my answer: more boy-shirtlessness!

And here's my question: So, how do we propose they fix it? I agree that there is skeevyness to the sexualization of the vicitimization of women. Laying aside that (which, in some, if not all, ways, is largely an issue of staging and costuming), is the fix to have men targeted in a similar way? Is there a way to do that that doesn't turn women into the second stereotype? There's no parallel construct to the dirty old man (and I could imagine that people might have an issue with what they might come up with if they tried), and I can also see why they'd not want to step into the potentially-fraught waters of a gay demon/ghost/thing. Is it to remove the sexuality?

On the female villains issue, I don't know that it's (numerically) unbalanced. I can believe that there aren't as many hot male villains. However, they have made a good number of the female ones NotHot.


juliana - Aug 15, 2007 7:57:53 am PDT #1244 of 10002
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

"what serious swimmer does their morning swim in a bikini?"

Yeah, that one pinged the hell out of me. ESPECIALLY in a lake in WI, when everyone's wearing medium-weight clothes. That lake would not be comfy in a bikini.

I think consciousness-raisers (oh please forgive me for rhetorical language) like the vid are necessary to give our perceptive vision an eighth of a turn, to sharpen it enough to be aware.

This.


P.M. Marc - Aug 15, 2007 8:05:20 am PDT #1245 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

So, how do we propose they fix it?

As it's the culture as a whole that's broken, my only suggestion is to show even more women with agency who aren't actively evil. I think they did address some of those issues in S2. For me, it worked fairly well.

Heck, my suggestions for a less problematic S3 are fairly simple:

  • A variety of recurring women of agency.
  • More boys in peril from non-gendered entities.
  • Agent Exceedingly Hot and Awesome back and not as pure antagonist this time. With Mulder jokes. Because those are never not funny to me.


Beverly - Aug 15, 2007 8:13:59 am PDT #1246 of 10002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

People of color with agency who are not bad guys.

People of female gender with agency who are not bad guys.

Those two would be a start.

Does anybody have a link to the cafepress book? I must have the wrong title; my search came up empty.


juliana - Aug 15, 2007 8:29:03 am PDT #1247 of 10002
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

Agent Exceedingly Hot and Awesome back and not as pure antagonist this time. With Mulder jokes. Because those are never not funny to me.

This, and so totally FTW. Linda Blair's character returning would also be made of awesome.

Also? I would love to see a female Trickster - but that probably won't fit in with the arc of the season. That I am hypothesizing out of my tush, because I am unspoiled.


Amy - Aug 15, 2007 8:36:00 am PDT #1248 of 10002
Because books.

::loves on everyone::

::promises to be a more conscious viewer in future::

::conscious of more than just the HOT, that is::


DebetEsse - Aug 15, 2007 8:36:49 am PDT #1249 of 10002
Woe to the fucking wicked.

juliana, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that we're going to be demon-heavy. I would, in fact, be irritated if we weren't.


juliana - Aug 15, 2007 8:47:48 am PDT #1250 of 10002
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

demon-heavy.

True, but Tall Tales was a lot lighter than where I think they'll be going this season. The Trickster joke is probably played out, too.


smonster - Aug 15, 2007 8:58:24 am PDT #1251 of 10002
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

no parallel construct to the dirty old man (and I could imagine that people might have an issue with what they might come up with if they tried)

Heh. Mary Murphy on SYTYCD comes to mind. ::shudders::

As it's the culture as a whole that's broken, my only suggestion is to show even more women with agency who aren't actively evil. I think they did address some of those issues in S2. For me, it worked fairly well.

Heck, my suggestions for a less problematic S3 are fairly simple:

What Plei Said. Unsurprisingly.


DebetEsse - Aug 15, 2007 8:59:13 am PDT #1252 of 10002
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I'd be sad if there wasn't at least one light ep in the season, but, yeah, I would be surprised if we saw a trickster again as a primary character.