Mal: Okay. She won't be winning any beauty contests anytime soon. But she is solid. Ship like this, be with ya 'til the day you die. Zoe: 'Cause it's a deathtrap.

'Out Of Gas'


Bureaucracy 4: Like Job. No, really, just like Job

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: Jon B, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych, msbelle, shrift, Dana, Laura

Stompy Emerita: ita, DXMachina


Sophia Brooks - Feb 14, 2012 4:42:10 am PST #5143 of 6786
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I didn't see anyone!

OK- it is actually still not clear! I made the proposal about the moratorium, and I don't know the answer.

Also, Jon, do you post in press, or the proposer? It looks like the proposer posts the hear ye, hear ye.

ETA: I can't read too much of the discussion because I swear I get flashbacks. I have never talked so much in my entire life.


Jon B. - Feb 14, 2012 7:16:25 am PST #5144 of 6786
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I don't know what was originally decided via our initial votes and discussions, but here's what's been happening in practice:

  • After getting the required secondses, a Stompy opens Lightbulbs and also posts to Press.

  • Near the end of the 4 day discussion period, if the proposer hasn't clearly posted final wording for the proposal, I will nudge them to do so in Lightbulbs.

  • At the end of the 4 day discussion period, I set up a web ballot and make a post in Press containing a one sentence summary of the issue along with a link to the ballot and the Lightbulbs discussion. Here is an example.

  • The one time we did not reach 42 votes (Pix's F2F scheduling calendar thingie), we decided that she'd have to wait 6 months before she could re-propose.


Burrell - Feb 14, 2012 7:42:06 am PST #5145 of 6786
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

My admittedly vague memory was that the vote over "No Preference" was instigated by proposals being passed because they reached the 42 vote quorum, but the majority of those votes were No Preference, so it would pass with 6 Yes votes or some such.


aurelia - Feb 14, 2012 7:43:57 am PST #5146 of 6786
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

My understanding is that anything that goes to a vote falls under the 6 month moratorium.


Sophia Brooks - Feb 14, 2012 7:49:34 am PST #5147 of 6786
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I think we should go with this, but we should note that the cheesebutt document says "There is currently a moratorium in place on re-proposing proposals which have already been discussed and voted down.", so we should theoretically change that.


§ ita § - Feb 14, 2012 8:03:54 am PST #5148 of 6786
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

My understanding was that if it doesn't go to a vote, there's no moratorium.


Jon B. - Feb 14, 2012 8:28:41 am PST #5149 of 6786
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

My admittedly vague memory was that the vote over "No Preference" was instigated by proposals being passed because they reached the 42 vote quorum, but the majority of those votes were No Preference, so it would pass with 6 Yes votes or some such.

No, that never happened. Every vote we had up to that point would have reached quorum even if the NP's were ignored, although a couple of the "downballot" questions might not have. There was a concern that your scenario *could* happen, but it never did.

Why do I remember crap like this, but keep forgetting to pick up the farmshare every week?


Jessica - Feb 14, 2012 8:41:06 am PST #5150 of 6786
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Why do I remember crap like this, but keep forgetting to pick up the farmshare every week?

Because [link]


Jon B. - Feb 14, 2012 9:15:32 am PST #5151 of 6786
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Yep. That sums it up.


brenda m - Feb 14, 2012 10:31:33 am PST #5152 of 6786
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Why do I remember crap like this, but keep forgetting to pick up the farmshare every week?

Oh crap, that's today. Thanks Jon!