I don't see how anything is harmed by saying this vote did not reach quorum and so didn't pass. It was about pimping for the F2F in October, right? And it's practically November already. Why not let the pimping this year start in Nov and put it to a vote again later if we still want to move the pimping to Oct?

This.

I don't see any reason to change to the current quorum system.

Great, this does not seem to be an issue. Just wanted to clarify to Steph one point.

Wait. You're saying if a vote doesn't get a quorum, the proposer has to request a voting extension, and that request has to receive 4 seconds and then go through the discussion period and then go to a vote?

No, my suggestion was to put to a one-time vote whether a requester can voluntarily extend a voting period by 3 days to gain a quorum. If it passed, that would be a permanent amendment to the voting procedures and would not have to be voted on again.

Again, no need to consider. It appears the issue is a non-ish one.

So if you check in less than every four days, you've always known you risk missing notification and discussion of a vote. This isn't new, and you must have missed many more before now. I can see you being disappointed, but there's no room for outrage.

This was posted in Press on the 19th for discussion and voting closed on the 22nd. That's three days total for everything. The rules pointed to talk about four days for discussion and three days to vote. That did not happen here, unless I am blind and there was something posted on Oct. 15th about this that I missed.

Yeah, I do only check here and there, and if it had been a week, I would have had time to participate, and presumably other people are in the same boat. I'm not outraged, I'm annoyed, I've had my say, and I'm over it.

No, the 19th was the beginning of voting, not the beginning of discussion.

Hang on, Java's got a point. We did miss posting in Press about the opening of Lightbulbs.

Well, crappity.

Pix did make the following post in the actual F2F thread, which isn't the same, but it was there for folks to see and be able to pop over to B'Craxy and then Lightbulbs:

Pix "F2F5: I forget that everyone isn't us" Oct 14, 2010 6:59:33 pm PDT

Since we seemed to accidentally not follow our own procedures, what do we do?

I still think at this point, it doesn't matter in practice, since the vote wouldn't take effect until next October 1 anyway. So if someone makes a note to re-propose in 6 months, we can re-vote and still start the proposed new procedure at the same time.

Sadly, we need a Stompy to close up the Delurking thread.

I'm speechless. The rules weren't followed, the vote was so poorly attended that enough votes to reach a quorum had to be coaxed out of people on line at the time, and it hasn't been re-posted and the vote reopened by now?

I move that the vote be re-posted for notice for four days, and then the vote be re-opened for three days, then closed.