Star Wars can still be cool if you've never seen the last 3 movies. Or the Thanksgiving TV Special... t shudder
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Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 25, 2008 4:36:33 am PST #8771 of 10000
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Frankenbuddha - Nov 25, 2008 4:40:17 am PST #8772 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Star Wars can still be cool if you've never seen the last 3 movies. Or the Thanksgiving TV Special...
And the lame new series and...
I think once the suckitude of a franchise outnumbers the coolness, the coolness is lost.
Fred Pete - Nov 25, 2008 4:43:42 am PST #8773 of 10000
Ann, that's a ferret.
And two of those three could have been fixed -- or at least improved -- so easily.
Phantom -- Throw Jar Jar Binks out an airlock at the first opportunity.
Clones -- Dump the Padme/Anakin love story, make it strictly an action adventure movie starring Ewan MacGregor.
Cashmere - Nov 25, 2008 4:56:45 am PST #8774 of 10000
Now tagless for your comfort.
That was, perhaps, the most impressive display of geekery I have ever seen.
I can only add: "Holy shit! Consider the source!"
brenda m - Nov 25, 2008 4:59:41 am PST #8775 of 10000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
Actually, that would work for just about any flick. Dump the _________, make it strictly an action adventure movie starring Ewan MacGregor.
Strega - Nov 25, 2008 6:05:53 am PST #8776 of 10000
I think Lucas made it impossible with The Phantom Suckage, Send in the Clones, et al.
I said cool, not good. Star Wars is about teen angst and heroes and pirates and a literal rebellion. The characters have swordfights and mysterious destinies and must triumph over Evil. It is capital-R Romantic. The story values things that are cool.
Star Trek is about diplomacy and diversity and empathy and rationality. Its values are straight out of the Enlightenment. These are noble things, but they are not cool things.
It's like this: In Star Wars, if a robot is causing a problem, you slice it in half with a light saber. In Star Trek, you give it a paradox that fries its logic circuits.
Fred Pete - Nov 25, 2008 6:27:34 am PST #8777 of 10000
Ann, that's a ferret.
The story values things that are cool.
I still think the three most recent movies miss on that point. Probably inevitably. Because they're really the exposition for the first trilogy. The rebels are the bad guys, and evil triumphs. The most angsty teen becomes the Big Bad, and we know it going in.
DavidS - Nov 25, 2008 6:30:25 am PST #8778 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
It's like this: In Star Wars, if a robot is causing a problem, you slice it in half with a light saber. In Star Trek, you give it a paradox that fries its logic circuits.
Doesn't Kirk famously solve a problem at Starfleet Academy by doing the "slice the Gordian knot" solution?
Kirk is supposed to be cool. He doesn't follow the Prime Directive. He's a rebel, ladykiller, leader of men (and women), torn-shirt, grappling with giganto Lizardmen dude. Sure he uses his brain to make a cannon out of rocks and cardboard tubing, but that doesn't make him less cool.
Spock is also cool in the original, Miles Davis, contained/reserved sangfroid way.
I'm not sure if either verse's ethos is particularly cool: rational humanism vs. halfassed buddhism.
But original flavor Trek definitely has as many instances of cool as Star Wars.
While the Star Wars verse is definitely Romantic, it must be noted that Romantic isn't really cool. It's...Romantic. Hot blooded, big-gestured, all-for-love. Naked emotion may be a desirable human quality (or not), but it's the opposite of cool's reserve.
Dana - Nov 25, 2008 6:49:41 am PST #8779 of 10000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
Doesn't Kirk famously solve a problem at Starfleet Academy by doing the "slice the Gordian knot" solution?
Well, he out-and-out cheated because he was too stubborn to lose.
But original flavor Trek definitely has as many instances of cool as Star Wars.
Space hippies!
sumi - Nov 25, 2008 6:51:09 am PST #8780 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!
HP bulletin - Aims alert:
Daniel Radcliffe's Broadway Run of Equus struggling to sell (italics mine).
Also, ABC Family is going to run a "first look" at HP+theHBP during their HP weekend December 5-7th.
And they're scouting locations for Deathly Hallows already.