Re: P-C's disappointment with Dent: I saw it as all Two-Face from the moment halfway through his scene in the hospital with Gordon to his "death". There was a flicker, a moment...maybe I just imagined it, but for me it was there...where Harvey gave way to Two-Face...and, brilliantly, it was right after Gordon begrudgingly gave up his IA "nickname." It was as though Harvey, right then, decided to let go and give "Two-Face" his free rein, and when he turned back to Gordon...Harvey wasn't home anymore. AND, I think to Nolan's credit, Harvey wasn't there the rest of the movie. There was no cop-out "Batman Forever" moment where they were both present...that issue is to be resolved in the future or never. Brilliant.

MM, I agree with you on it being all Two-Face from that moment with no Harvey, but unlike you, I wanted Harvey to be present too. I find that aspect of his character interesting, that his good side and bad side are warring with each other. I want No Man's Land Two-Face, putting himself on trial.

As a side note, Two-Face was pretty fucking scary too, which I liked. Joker and Two-Face made Scarecrow and Ra's al-Ghul look like wannabe villains.

Agreed on Steph's final whitefont. Hee! Although it might have undercut the drama a tad if Rachel goes boom and the audience bursts into applause.

Random thoughts:

The sonar fight near the end was the Batmobile chase of this movie. By which I mean it was 5 times as long as it needed to be. Ugh. Even if it did feature a lot of dog-punching.

I keep thinking I really wanted more Batfans. I would have liked a little of them actually being effective, too. They really should have been involved in Joker's "Kill this guy or I blow up a hospital" thing. Ideally, on both sides. Because that was awesome.

Controversy! I don't mind Bale's Batman voice.

But yeah, a little too much talky-meat. Seriously, Gordon, you don't need to say the exact same thing twice in the final speech. I felt bad for Oldman at that point.

Strega, I agree on the sonar fight. That was the first time during the movie I actually thought to myself, "Well, this has gone on a bit too long."

About Harvey: Joe, you said that Aims said that we don't know he's dead -- that was my FIRST comment after the movie. I asked The Boy, "Are we meant to assume Dent is dead? No one SAID he was." I think they left it that way on purpose. And I think, therefore, that he'll be back.

Incidentally, I also dislike Bale's growly Batman voice.

House Next Door didn't like TDK so much:

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I understand the critiques, but I don't agree with them.

P-C, on one of your questions, I thought the Joker didn't say who was at which address, but it was going on 2 in the morning at that point, so I might have missed it.

I'm with Franken. Further

The issue was that Batman had to choose which one to save. That's why he sent Gordon one way and he went the other.

House Next Door didn't like TDK so much:

I understand the critiques, but I don't agree with them.

I don't agree with them, either, except for this one:

Morgan Freeman (as Wayne Enterprises liaison Lucius Fox) and Michael Caine (as stalwart manservant Alfred) spouting gloomy old man platitudes about the culture of surveillance, and everyone else monologuing ad nauseum about various and sundry long, dark teatimes of the soul.

Too. Much. Speechifying.

TDK surpassed (by a lot) the one day record. It made $66 million on Friday (estimated).

Holy shit that's a lot of $$.