Y'all see the man hanging out of the spaceship with the really big gun? Now I'm not saying you weren't easy to find. It was kinda out of our way, and he didn't want to come in the first place. Man's lookin' to kill some folk. So really it's his will y'all should worry about thwarting.

Mal ,'Safe'


Buffista Movies 6: lies and videotape  

A place to talk about movies--old and new, good and bad, high art and high cheese. It's the place to place your kittens on the award winners, gossip about upcoming fims and discuss DVD releases and extras. Spoiler policy: White font all plot-related discussion until a movie's been in wide release two weeks, and keep the major HSQ in white font until two weeks after the video/DVD release.


Polter-Cow - May 19, 2008 7:42:14 am PDT #5791 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I've read many arguments that, *because* the main character is a sexist pig (at least, at the beginning), the movie is sexist. I don't agree.

That's like saying a movie about Hitler promotes Naziism.

And, fuck, I just Godwinned already. Dammit.

And when she had her Big Climactic Moment, she got all irrational and told Tony she couldn't do it because it might kill him!

How DARE she care about someone else's welfare!

The arguments seem to say "How dare you make a comic-book movie that reflects the content of the comic book!"

Well, comic books can certainly be sexist (at best) and downright misogynistic (at worst). But I don't think Iron Man (the movie) was bad in that respect. I don't how the comic fares.


amych - May 19, 2008 7:44:17 am PDT #5792 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I don't how the comic fares.

Kinda dull, mostly. The movie is much better than any of the comics I've ever picked up, although I'd be happy to be proven wrong, since the character kind of kicks ass.


JZ - May 19, 2008 7:45:05 am PDT #5793 of 10000
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Haven't seen it yet (maybe after Hec's next paycheck we can go to the semi-local biggish indie house with the excellent vintage posters in the lobby and the concessions stand selling fancy coffees and chicken-apple sausage and veggie dogs), but, even overly sensitive and tetchy as I am, I'd be inclined to stand with Teppy and amych and Dana just on principle.

I love Last Crusade. It...might actually be my favorite. I remember watching Raiders of the Lost Ark again several years ago and finding it kind of...slow.

Kids these days....

Ha. You don't even know. Emmett has been watching the ads and is completely jazzed about getting his hands on the Indy Jones Lego game, but he thinks the movies all look flat-out Bad and he will never, never watch any of them because of their obvious stenchy badness. Pointing out that Indy is played by Han Solo gave him a moment's pause, but only just. What is a parent to do?


Polter-Cow - May 19, 2008 7:45:11 am PDT #5794 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Kinda dull, mostly. The movie is much better than any of the comics I've ever picked up, although I'd be happy to be proven wrong, since the character kind of kicks ass.

My familiarity with the character comes solely from The Ultimates.


Steph L. - May 19, 2008 7:46:53 am PDT #5795 of 10000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I mean, how many people object to Alfred's presence in Batman?

To be fair, if Alfred were a nubile young female servant, I might have some issues.

I don't see how the movie could have gotten around the source material, though. Pepper at least belongs in the movie, unlike [whatever Katie Holmes' character in Batman was named] in Batman Begins. There's no canonical basis (wow, that sounds pretentious, and yet I'm leaving it in), and she served absolutely no function in the movie.

Movie-version of Mary Jane? USELESS. It pains me to say it, but she is.

Pepper Potts has got some serious utility. Tony Stark would have ended up dead at least twice (possibly 3 times) if not for her.


shrift - May 19, 2008 7:50:06 am PDT #5796 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

I've spent a lot of time lately in a feminist rage threatening to kick people in the crotch, but Iron Man totally didn't ping me as misogynist.

My only real gender-based observation was, "There's NO WAY she could walk over a grated floor in those heels!"


Kathy A - May 19, 2008 7:50:26 am PDT #5797 of 10000
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Finally, I must agree: John Goodman, kung fu master = comedy gold.

I haven't seen Speed Racer yet, and most likely won't, but I have to say that the first Librarian movie on TNT (starring Noah Wylie) had the best incongrous use of kung fu master--Bob Newhart!! I nearly fell off my chair laughing when he broke out the karate-chop moves.


Steph L. - May 19, 2008 7:52:00 am PDT #5798 of 10000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

My only real gender-based observation was, "There's NO WAY she could walk over a grated floor in those heels!"

Right? But maybe she *is* a superhero, and *that's* her super power!


Jessica - May 19, 2008 7:53:34 am PDT #5799 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I haven't seen the movie or read any of the comics, so I have no idea who Pepper Potts is. I'm just saying that in terms of sexism charges, Alfred doesn't really seem relevant. (Unless Pepper really IS Tony Stark's maid.)


Polter-Cow - May 19, 2008 7:53:40 am PDT #5800 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Movie-version of Mary Jane? USELESS. It pains me to say it, but she is.

Yeah, it made me wonder why her character is apparently so popular. What does she do in the comics that makes her beloved as her own person and not just Spidey's girlfriend?

(Unless Pepper really IS Tony Stark's maid.)

Well, she does take out the trash.