The whole earth may be sucked into Hell, and you want my help 'cause your girlfriend's a big ho?

Buffy ,'Chosen'


Buffista Movies 6: lies and videotape  

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Sean K - Dec 30, 2007 7:59:04 am PST #3087 of 10000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

My biggest issue is the idea that good Christians should never, ever hear anything that challenges their beliefs.

Yeah, this sort of thing bugs me a lot. There's quite a large group of Christians for whom my saying "I don't believe" is very dangerous and threatening. Which only makes me think that particular strain of faith isn't terribly strong or resilient, and that maybe G-d wants something a little tougher than that.

Just an outsider's opinion, of course....


§ ita § - Dec 30, 2007 8:04:25 am PST #3088 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Pullman's interview's make me like him even less. I felt he was going there, so I sought out more information, but he just seemed so damned smug all the time it made it worse.


Kate P. - Dec 30, 2007 8:24:46 am PST #3089 of 10000
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Saw Sweeney Todd with my mom, who LOVED it. I didn't love it -- I thought JD's and HBC's voices in particular weren't strong enough to carry the songs fully. But I did enjoy it, the darkness and the singing and what little humor remained from the show. I appreciated that the blood was so un-blood-like, all bright red and viscous and syrupy; that made it easier for me to handle the extreme goriness, because it was so clearly fake. I was grossed out by the bodies hitting the cellar floor, like several other people mentioned -- that was pretty disturbing. And I thought "By the Sea" was the best bit in the whole movie.


Typo Boy - Dec 30, 2007 8:44:32 am PST #3090 of 10000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

And I thought "By the Sea" was the best bit in the whole movie.

But they cut out the best joke in the song, one that revealed something key about Sweeney.


Kate P. - Dec 30, 2007 8:47:17 am PST #3091 of 10000
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Really? Care to whitefont? My memories of the stage show are dim.


Typo Boy - Dec 30, 2007 8:51:03 am PST #3092 of 10000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

OK - the joke whitefonted:

When she was singing about how good life would be, Mrs. Lovett had the line she sang about taking in guests, and then sang: "Now and then you can do the guest in". At which point, Sweeney, who had been just nodding distractedly through the whole thing suddenly perked up. Maybe this "by the sea thing" would be worth considering says the expression on his face. Which also reveals that aside from the whole "driven mad by injustice" thing, Sweeney really really enjoys killing.


Kate P. - Dec 30, 2007 10:02:50 am PST #3093 of 10000
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Heh. I wonder why they took that out?


erin_obscure - Dec 30, 2007 10:22:10 am PST #3094 of 10000
Occasionally I’m callous and strange

Cuz it would have ruined the "every time we see him he has the same frozen expression of doom and gloom" pattern that made me laugh over and over. Making him an active participant would have interrupted that pattern. (I also laughed hysterically every time a body hit the floor, but maybe that is just because i am sick and twisted. *shrug*)


Typo Boy - Dec 30, 2007 10:33:02 am PST #3095 of 10000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Yeah so glad they lost three fourths of the humor of the play for the sake of two or three new jokes in the movie. Believe me the play had a lot more and better funnies than bodies hitting the floor.


Scrappy - Dec 30, 2007 10:37:57 am PST #3096 of 10000
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I'm with Erin. I love the play, but it is a different animal. It uses the chorus to distance us from the characters, reminding us again and again that it is a story being presented rather than lived in a total Brechtian fashion (Hey, I get to use my Theater degree-yahoo!). No one actually dies--even Sweeney and Mrs. Lovett come back from the dead to tell the tale. The film, on the other hand, is all about getting us close to the characters. Lots of close-ups and boith Sweeney and Mrs. Lovett get a song which is an internal monologue. She gets By the Sea and he gets They All Deserve to Die. Everyone but our main characters is voiceless. I think both approaches work very well.