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Kevin - Jul 18, 2007 10:39:39 am PDT #257 of 10000
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Hmmm. I just noticed Captivity is co-written by "Joseph Tura". That's a made up name if ever I saw one. Wonder what that's about.


§ ita § - Jul 18, 2007 10:43:51 am PDT #258 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

From boston.com:

Finicky film freaks will recognize "Joseph Tura" as the name of Jack Benny’s character in the classic ‘‘To Be or Not To Be,’’ which means someone’s hiding under a pseudonym and it’s probably Joffe.


Polter-Cow - Jul 18, 2007 10:44:38 am PDT #259 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

How is that made up? I don't get it.

ETA: And ita comes through.

I was kind of surprised that Captivity TANKED at the box office. Horribly. Then I noticed that only a thousand theatres even carried it. And it was still beaten by Sicko.


Ailleann - Jul 18, 2007 10:46:16 am PDT #260 of 10000
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I was kind of surprised that Captivity TANKED at the box office.

Despite all the hullabaloo, I thought it still kinda looked bad.

There's probably a lot of markets where they wouldn't open it thanks to all the bad press. "Family theater" chains and the like.


Steph L. - Jul 18, 2007 10:48:21 am PDT #261 of 10000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

I was kind of surprised that Captivity TANKED at the box office.

I guess misogynistic fictionalized torture and rape just don't bring 'em in like they used to.


Kevin - Jul 18, 2007 10:56:10 am PDT #262 of 10000
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Despite the low theatre count (er, for a wide release), it's per screen average was still rubbish. It tanked. Given the amount of media hype, you would have thought it would have done better, so I think Steph is correct.

The studio tried to play a strange (but obvious) game towards the end -- they sighted the film as an example of female empowerment, for example, then had a launch party which they told the media in advance would send women's groups nuts, and had things like this at the launch party: [link]

That party also had the banners the MPAA had demanded they remove from distribution up. The MPAA got them to take them down at the party. It was a cynical publicity attempt.

I've been looking at Lion's Gate recently, and 'torture porn' accounts for just over half a million dollars of their theatre gross for the last few years, and totals $2bn (estimated) with DVDs.


§ ita § - Jul 18, 2007 11:12:03 am PDT #263 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Given the amount of media hype, you would have thought it would have done better

If media hype couldn't make Snakes On A Plane a hit, even gawking curiosity shouldn't make a big difference to Captivity's numbers.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 18, 2007 11:24:57 am PDT #264 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I guess misogynistic fictionalized torture and rape just don't bring 'em in like they used to.

Steph, may I tag?


Steph L. - Jul 18, 2007 11:28:42 am PDT #265 of 10000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

Matt, absolutely!


Kevin - Jul 18, 2007 11:36:16 am PDT #266 of 10000
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

If media hype couldn't make Snakes On A Plane a hit, even gawking curiosity shouldn't make a big difference to Captivity's numbers.

Snakes On A Plane clearly wasn't going to be a hit, in my world -- I never thought on the online base around it would translate offline, as the online hype had emerged before much was even known about the film (even a trailer!). In short, the studio made the mistake of believing people laughing at their film title and premise was going to be a good sales pitch. Which it ain't. I wish Snakes wasn't used as an example of viral marketing, as there's plenty of examples of it working, and a billion dollar industry surrounding that, because of that.

There are, however, clear examples of studios hyping something controversal to big numbers successfully. When it all falls down is usually when the end product is also utter crap.