Jayne: What're you gonna tell the others? Mal: About what? Jayne: About why I'm dead. Mal: Hadn't thought about it. Jayne: Make something up. Don't tell 'em what I did.

'Ariel'


Buffista Movies 6: lies and videotape  

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Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 03, 2007 12:39:06 pm PST #2519 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Unless he decides to Method act a dystopian scavenging future and starve himself like he did for The Machinist, anyway.


Laga - Dec 03, 2007 12:45:01 pm PST #2520 of 10000
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

A guest just asked for a ticket for "The Story of Ed". She said it twice before she looked up at the marquee and realized the actual name of the picture she wanted to see. Any guesses?


tiggy - Dec 03, 2007 12:54:05 pm PST #2521 of 10000
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

wow. i just went to fandango to see if it could shed some light. i have no idea! maybe that stupid Fred Clause movie?


Laga - Dec 03, 2007 12:57:09 pm PST #2522 of 10000
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

nope. I wish I could figure out how her brain made the substition. It was Dan in Real Life . (whitefonted just for fun)


tiggy - Dec 03, 2007 1:02:31 pm PST #2523 of 10000
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

what the... people are bizarre.


Jesse - Dec 03, 2007 1:42:56 pm PST #2524 of 10000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Unless he decides to Method act a dystopian scavenging future and starve himself like he did for The Machinist, anyway.

Oh yeah, that doesn't really exist in my world.

You know what does exist? Newsies DVD extras with cutehead 17 year old Christian Bale speaking in his own accent. CUTE.


Polter-Cow - Dec 03, 2007 1:43:34 pm PST #2525 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

what the... people are bizarre.

Maybe that's a foreign translation of the title? For some reason?


BigDuluth - Dec 04, 2007 10:05:42 pm PST #2526 of 10000
"I am the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world"

Unless he decides to Method act a dystopian scavenging future and starve himself like he did for The Machinist, anyway

I saw that a few weeks ago. That was an experience... dunno what else to say. It was good, but fucking weird.


Jessica - Dec 05, 2007 4:12:19 am PST #2527 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I saw Sweeney Todd last night, but first I have to pass on a funny thing that happened to DH at the I Am Legend screening on Monday - they did a ton of location shooting all over NYC, and so not only was the building he works in in the movie, but so was the building where the screening was being held! So yay location shooting.

Now, Sweeney.

Sigh.

There's a LOT about this movie to like. The production design is scrumptious. The costumes and makeup on Sweeney & Mrs Lovett, ditto. The re-arranged score is made of awesome (and as it wasn't done by Danny Elfman, it still sounds like Sondheim and not Batman).

And I think if you weren't familiar with the original musical, or at least loved it less than I do, or for different reasons, you might find this a very satisfying filmgoing experience. It's probably a very good movie musical in its own right.

But there are cuts. And the cuts are all very thoughtful and work to craft an entirely new version of the story that has its own internal consistency of tone. Unfortunately for my own tastes, the tone of this version did not overall work for me. It's too dour, too solemnly tragic.

I think the best way to highlight the horrifically tragic aspects of the story is to look that absurdity square in the face and say, look, people being killed and baked into pies is FUNNY. Anthony and Johanna's wide-eyed hopefulness in a world where people are killed and baked into pies is FUNNY. I think in order for the end of the story to really work, you need to be brought there from a place of giddy hilarity - if you're already feeling that the whole thing is kind of bleak and depressing, the emotional imact is muted. You need the contrast. And I feel like Tim Burton kept all the emotional lows but chopped off the highs.

And I'm not saying all the comedy is gone - "Try A Little Priest" is still funny, even though there are also cuts to that. (The exchange that ends in "LOCKSMITH" is gone, as are most of the other spoken bad puns. Boo hiss.) But almost all the cuts are of comic bits, and it changes the story from a black comedy to a gothic horror film. Which is fine, but I was disappointed that Tim Burton chose to go in that direction.

HBC needed to be having at least 87% more fun playing Mrs Lovett. Her performance had everything here I disliked about Patti Lupone's - if you're going to dress Mrs Lovett as a goth, she needs to be a cheerfully batty Jilli-esque Cupcake Meatpie Goth. And instead she's kind of dour and bleak. And WAY the hell too young. Half the point of "By The Sea" is that Mrs Lovett is way too old to be a giggling schoolgirl with a crush - it shouldn't be the only time in the whole movie the actor actually looks her age. "The Worst Pies In London" is just bad. She doesn't have the vocal chops to carry it, and the whole number just falls flat. And don't give me any bullshit about how it's haaaaaaaard to sing AND MAKE A PIE at the same time. Yes, she actually said that.

Dear Tim Burton,

You are allowed to make a movie without your girlfriend in it. I, the audience, give you permission to do this.

Johnny Depp is also too young, but manages to pull it off anyway almost all of the time. He's also not quite up to the role vocally (every time he goes above a certain pitch/volume, he sounds like a rock star where he should sound like an opera singer), but aside from that his performance is pretty stellar.

The kids playing Anthony and Johanna are fine except that their story's been kind of eviscerated. Again, they're supposed to provide contrast to the two leads - they need to be wide-eyed innocent teens, not sulky whiny teens. And Anthony needs a better haircut.

Alan Rickman is AWESOME as Turpin. Very very creepy and slimy.

Sacha Barron Cohen is pitch perfect as Pirelli. And HMOG he is ginormously tall.

And wow, that was longer than I meant it to be. Short version - it's a good movie, but with issues as an adaptation, and I stand by all (continued...)


Jessica - Dec 05, 2007 4:12:23 am PST #2528 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

( continues...) the casting quibbles I had going in.