I don't give half a hump if you're innocent or not. So where does that put you?

Book ,'Objects In Space'


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tommyrot - Oct 19, 2007 11:32:26 am PDT #1766 of 10000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I'm guessing Green Arrow is fun, but it seems he's been ruined these days.

Just don't wear yellow lingerie.

eta: Or am i confusing him with Green Lantern?


Aims - Oct 19, 2007 11:39:28 am PDT #1767 of 10000
Shit's all sorts of different now.

You are confusing Green Arrow and Lantern. Lantern = yellow bad.


P.M. Marc - Oct 19, 2007 11:41:36 am PDT #1768 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Forget Ollie.

His boy Roy is where it's at.


tommyrot - Oct 19, 2007 11:45:06 am PDT #1769 of 10000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

You are confusing Green Arrow and Lantern. Lantern = yellow bad.

See, I knew this stuff was too complicated.

How many other "green" superheroes are there? Could Kermit be "Green Frog"?

eta: Ooh. Forgot about Green Hornet!


Volans - Oct 19, 2007 12:29:30 pm PDT #1770 of 10000
move out and draw fire

More random thoughts about The Prestige:

Angier's little "I did it for the LOVE" bit at the end was total bullshit, not even buyable as "unreliable narrator" based on anything we'd seen of the character up until then.

I was mostly okay with the way they changed Angier's secret for the movie, except that, having done his trick once, he could now use Borden's secret. I know that in both the book and the movie Angier was unable to accept Borden's trick was that simple, but it didn't quite fly in the movie. The things that worked about the change was that they were then able to frame the story in a better way for a film (rather than having descendants reading journals), and they were able to work in the drowning.

Speaking of flying, I loved the canaries being the symbols of the magicians, or really, of Angier: "He killed him!" "No he didn't, he's right here?" "But where's his brother?" and "You're the lucky one today."

I liked that each magician died by the same method his wife had, although I believe that in Borden's case, the one who hanged was the one who drove Sara to hang herself, not the one who loved her. If his behaviour can be accepted as loving her, which I don't.

Somehow the parallel of the Edison/Tesla fight came through more strongly in the movie. Maybe because I was snarking about how Tesla was using Edison's lightbulbs (in between snarking about how they walked into the middle of a field of glass lightbulbs in the dark without hitting any).

And I suggest amending Jess' brilliant summary to include the presence of Gollum.


Nutty - Oct 19, 2007 12:37:21 pm PDT #1771 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Chuck the Green Hornet, though. Kato's the one you want to do.


Juliebird - Oct 19, 2007 12:42:22 pm PDT #1772 of 10000
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Angier's little "I did it for the LOVE" bit at the end was total bullshit, not even buyable as "unreliable narrator" based on anything we'd seen of the character up until then.

oh, Raq, thank you for articulating what I failed to say... articulately.


Strega - Oct 19, 2007 3:55:30 pm PDT #1773 of 10000

Oh, yay. I finally saw The Prestige a few weeks back, and then I dug up the original conversation here from when it was in theaters and I had totally meant to see it but never quite did. And the next weekend I got the book from the library and read it in an evening. I admire the movie more, but the book is way creepier.

I liked the movie more afterwards than while I was watching it. The more I thought about it, the more I liked it, for all the Nolan-y convolutions and mirroring. I actually watched most of it again last weekend when I stumbled upon it.

Yeah, the characters are horrible people, but it's been established that I don't care so much about that. I get why it's off-putting, though. There's something Kubrick-y about it, I suppose. "Here's a very precise movie about horrid people doing shitty things. Enjoy!"

I don't think Angier's "I did it for love" was meant to be a justification for everything he did. I think it was just... that was what was different about them. Angier wanted to be adored. Borden wanted to be the best. That's why for Borden, his own identity was secondary. It didn't matter to him/them who got the applause. But that was vital (ahem) to Angier.

I was mostly okay with the way they changed Angier's secret for the movie, except that, having done his trick once, he could now use Borden's secret
I think the above is why he couldn't have, though. (Plus, in the movie, until the end he was convinced that there was more to it.) And there was his experience with, um, whozit, the actor. I apologize, but this really is the wording that sprang to mind: He wouldn't have been able to live with himself.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 19, 2007 4:33:46 pm PDT #1774 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Yeah. Angier's ego would have been in unresolvable conflict with even another version of himself, whereas to Borden sharing the credit—like sharing everything else—was as natural as breathing.


Polter-Cow - Oct 19, 2007 8:33:16 pm PDT #1775 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

The more I thought about it, the more I liked it, for all the Nolan-y convolutions and mirroring.

That's how I felt too, Strega. Right after it was done, I felt a little underwhelmed based on all the hype, but once I started reading some discussions and unpacking it all, I liked it a lot more. Sort of like Pan's Labyrinth.