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Buffista Movies 6: lies and videotape  

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Juliebird - Sep 06, 2007 8:24:46 am PDT #1272 of 10000
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

uh, I'm thinking if one of the consequences is these people not wanting to go to movies with you that maybe would be a good thing!

more like harassment for the rest of the month along the lines of "you big baby, were we bothering you? Hey, [everyone], Julie went into the back of the theatre and sulked! Remember? It was sooo funny."


§ ita § - Sep 06, 2007 8:56:08 am PDT #1273 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I totally loved reading at least the first Bourne book. What sort of espionage deprived childhoods did y'all have?


Nutty - Sep 06, 2007 9:04:30 am PDT #1274 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

The Bourne books are hilariously baroque. There's a 100-page digression about financial transfers across national borders! There are detailed cockamamie explanations of brain trauma! And actually, what I always liked best about it, there are all sorts of little details of paranoia, Plans B, C, D, and E, and keeping them all available at all times.

In the books, Bourne starts out with a lot more skills. And it's the skills -- at lying, at being charming, at assessing his chances and perpetrating armed robbery -- that are his first clues that he is Not A Normal Guy. He's also got about a billion times more affect than in the book, so he comes across as John Q. Public slowly having his own underbelly revealed to him, rather than as Scary Robot slowly being humanized.


Fred Pete - Sep 06, 2007 9:06:54 am PDT #1275 of 10000
Ann, that's a ferret.

I went through a major Robert Ludlum (and James Bond) phase in college. And the first Bourne novel was one I couldn't put down. Ludlum kept the action moving fast enough that I didn't realize, in particular, what a ridiculous character Marie turned out to be.


Fred Pete - Sep 06, 2007 9:10:02 am PDT #1276 of 10000
Ann, that's a ferret.

And Nutty put her finger on a lot of Ludlum's appeal. Most of his lead characters are fairly normal people roped into very dangerous spy situations. And they end up doing things that, at the beginning, they never dreamed they'd do.

Satisfactory literary cotton candy.

I haven't seen the movies, so I can't comment. May I cast a vote for Our Man in Havana instead?


§ ita § - Sep 06, 2007 9:12:08 am PDT #1277 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

May I cast a vote for Our Man in Havana instead?

Having read the book, I don't know if I could watch the movie. Severe read-from-the-hall for me.


Fred Pete - Sep 06, 2007 9:18:28 am PDT #1278 of 10000
Ann, that's a ferret.

Alec Guinness (as the lead), Ernie Kovacs (as the police officer), and Burl Ives (as the doctor) are magnificently cast. And I found the movie very droll in the British way. But I can agree that it isn't everyone's cup of tea. And the luncheon scene is decidedly watch-from-the-hall stuff.

Severe read-from-the-hall for me.

I'm heading in that direction on Two for the Seesaw. Two people with too many issues to belong in a relationship get together and drive each other crazy. And not in the comedy way.


Frankenbuddha - Sep 06, 2007 9:23:15 am PDT #1279 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Alec Guinness (as the lead), Ernie Kovacs (as the police officer), and Burl Ives (as the doctor) are magnificently cast. And I found the movie very droll in the British way. But I can agree that it isn't everyone's cup of tea. And the luncheon scene is decidedly watch-from-the-hall stuff.

And directed by Carol Reed of THE THIRD MAN, though it's nowhere near as stylish. Probably his last really good movie (though I am fond of OLIVER).


Fred Pete - Sep 06, 2007 9:26:12 am PDT #1280 of 10000
Ann, that's a ferret.

though it's nowhere near as stylish

Both (actually, so does Oliver!) create very clear settings. Maybe it's that postwar Vienna had more style than pre-Castro Havana. Or the limitations of filming in newly-Castro Havana.


Frankenbuddha - Sep 06, 2007 9:32:11 am PDT #1281 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Both (actually, so does Oliver!) create very clear settings. Maybe it's that postwar Vienna had more style than pre-Castro Havana.

I'm thinking more of the way Reed filmed the setting more than the setting itself - all those tilted angles and expressionist lighting (and the zither music). I agree that all three really grounded the stories in their respective settings. Definitely a Reed trait (see also ODD MAN OUT and THE FALLEN IDOL).