MMaSM:

And best guests ever in Naomi and Christian. Oh what I would've given if they'd put those two together to do . . . well, just about anything.

Oh my total god, you are so right. Christian is just a ball of energy, isn't he? I love that the models totally listened to him, because he was so crazy. I hope he manages to keep that in his career ahead.

Perry's shoulder thing. What is that? Is it just that he's too squarish? That he carries his head too far back? I don't really get what it is, precisely, about his shoulders.

Also, they go on and on about the symmetry of Ben's face, but I never notice it. My face is asymmetrical, but I don't know how to notice it particularly about other people.

On the weight issue, I don't know that I can deal with it at all. I really feel like on one level, the whole premise of modeling is flawed. So I don't know how to say, okay, this is outside of the norm, but I accept it for these reasons, or whatever. I mean, I look at the models and I can see what they see in looking for Ronnie to be more cut or Holly to be more trim. I can see the difference, and I don't know how to say, yeah, you should really abuse your body more for my entertainment. But then, they're in that career. We've asked them to make those sacrifices and they evidently have tacitly agreed. Athletes do terrible things to their bodies in the name of our entertainment, too.

I guess it's just more personal because it's entirely about the body. That's the product.

I mean, I couldn't be a model, even when I was a kid and wanted to be, but at the time it wasn't my weight that would have stopped me, it was my height. And so I just said, hum, can't be a model. If there was some crazy procedure I could have done to be taller so I could have been a model, would I have tried?

Not sure where I'm going with all this. Guess I just feel conflicted about it. I don't really blame the judges for their comments, I guess. And I at least appreciate that they've always tried hard to explicate the difference. "These are not the standards for normal people, just for models." At least they've expressed that, because a lot of these shows don't.

And I at least appreciate that they've always tried hard to explicate the difference. "These are not the standards for normal people, just for models." At least they've expressed that, because a lot of these shows don't.

This. Very much so. If I thought too hard about the real life message that comes through when someone with a body like Holly's is deemed "too flabby", I'd never be able to watch any of these shows. But I do think that MMaSM does a better job than any other model show in stressing that their critiques of the participants' weight is being given within the context of the show and the warped standards of the modeling world. I also like that they are just as critical and hard on the boys as they are on the girls. And their hard nosed criticism has produced finalists who can actually work and have careers post-show (unlike another model show fronted by a fivehead, former super model who's put on a few pounds herself).

unlike another model show fronted by a fivehead, former super model who's put on a few pounds herself

OMG, the other day they had Paulina walk past/in front of Tyra while in the judging room? And you could see that Paulina was literally about half tyra's size. It was kinda sad...

OK, I admit I saw Step Up 2: The Streets, but I've only seen two eps of Dance Crew: where were Jabbawookeez in SU2? Were teh the "410" crew? Cause I remember the masks, at the beginning. That was nice.

If I thought too hard about the real life message that comes through when someone with a body like Holly's is deemed "too flabby", I'd never be able to watch any of these shows.

I really don't think it's about size, though. It's about tightness, and some people are more naturally tight and some people have to work out to get that -- at any size. I have a friend who's much heavier than I am, but looks way better than I do in strappy tops, because her arms are just firm. They might be bigger, but they aren't flabby like mine are. You know?

Anyway, now I'm sucked into the dance crew show, damn you all, and I can't believe no one talked about Kaba Modern's wardrobe during the evolution of dance number! That was HOT.

Also, they were contrasting from a few weeks back, and noting that Holly and Ronnie had been crapping out on their workouts (which I think they both copped to). It's like pro athletes who take the summer off and have to "get back in shape." By any broader standard, it doesn't make sense. But in the tiny universe of pro athletes, it's a different measure.

I found the weight discussion about the other girl from way back much more disturbing, because if she wasn't the right body type, why put her in the show in the first place and then harangue her about it?

My inlaws brought Dirty Jobs DVDs to the family easter. Mike Rowe: I'll be in my bunk. Bonus: mr. flea loves the show, and hasn't noticed that I am faint with lust for the host!

Mike Rowe has that kind of appeal that other men totally don't get, I think.

brenda, I definitely agree about Katie. They were all, "I knew this was going to happen." So, then why did you cast her? And I know she was an audience vote-in, but they cast her up to that point. And so was Ben an audience vote-in and he's apparently done fine with his fitness, from that first "I've been working out with Ronnie" moment on.

Ooh, on the dance crew thing. I missed the history show. I appear to only sporadically be watching it, but since it's on eight million times I've mostly been able to keep up.

I think the dance show I watched this morning was the most recent, so yeah, it should be on 52 more times in the next 48 hours.

Jabbawookeez in SU2? Were teh the "410" crew? Cause I remember the masks, at the beginning. That was nice.

Jabbawookeez was one of the crews during the final dance battle sequence. They were wearing the same white masks and gloves look that they always wear. And throwing it down, as usual.

Jesse, I loved Kaba Modern's dance through hip hop history (especially the N'Sync shout out!). It's utter crap that they are gone and Status Quo lives to dance another day. The final two totally should've been a Kaba/Jabba battle to the death. That would've been amazing.

The judging hasn't been particularly good in Dance Crew, but I could see why SQ lasted over KM. KM hasn't been as exciting these recent weeks as they were at the beginning. I am a total fan of Jabba - so I think they will win. They have been so focused every week and really brought their all. I'm not sure I can say that about KM.

I miss Live in Color. I think they should have been in the final 3 instead of SQ.