Cordelia: I get it now. You're all spies. Probably all Russian. And you've brainwashed me, and want me to believe we're friends so I'll spill the beans about some nano-technology thingy that you want. Gunn: So I look Russian to you? Cordelia: Black Russian. Angel: That's a drink.

'Hell Bound'


Non-Fiction TV: I Reject Your Reality and Substitute My Own

This thread is for non-fiction TV, including but not limited to reality television (So You Think You Can Dance, Top Chef: Masters, Project Runway), documentaries (The History Channel, The Discovery Channel), and sundry (Expedition Africa, Mythbusters), et al. [NAFDA]


brenda m - Apr 12, 2017 8:27:59 pm PDT #23127 of 23273
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

That's the only thing that made it tolerable. Probst too - as much of a dudebro as he usually is, he's really good in a crisis. Stayed mostly out of it except to step up to point out when the guy's explanations were BS, and to make sure he wasn't minimizing.


Scrappy - Apr 12, 2017 8:30:45 pm PDT #23128 of 23273
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

That was AMAZING. I was impressed with how instantly everyone leapt to Zeke's defense. I found the whole thing ended up blog quite moving. But also, fuck Varner--that was low.


askye - Apr 13, 2017 2:50:59 am PDT #23129 of 23273
Thrive to spite them

I wasn't watching.. I've found this season kind of annoying. But I read about it.

And the guy who outed Zeke says he's an ally. That is just horrible.


Toddson - Apr 13, 2017 4:31:09 am PDT #23130 of 23273
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

Sounds like he just stepped up to be the next one voted off the island.


askye - Apr 13, 2017 5:57:50 am PDT #23131 of 23273
Thrive to spite them

He was voted off, that's actually why he outed Zeke. Varner was on the bottom and everyone had decided to vote him out. Zeke went to Varner and told him he was going to be voted out. Zeke did this because he felt it was the right thing to do.

So in some kind of desperation (I guess) Varner decided to out Zeke and I guess pepole would think Zeke was deceptive and vote him out instead


askye - Apr 13, 2017 5:59:00 am PDT #23132 of 23273
Thrive to spite them

Zeke wrote this [link] about what happened


kat perez - Apr 13, 2017 11:15:07 am PDT #23133 of 23273
"We have trust issues." Mylar

I haven't been a dedicated Survivor watcher in a long time but I happened to catch this live last night and I was gobsmacked! I've never seen anything like it. What was Varner thinking? And Zeke was far more composed than I could have ever been.

I just hope they spoke with Zeke about how this storyline would be handled this season. What a horrific thing to experience. I mean, I get that Survivor would never pass up airing something like this because, hello! Money. But there's more than money at stake here. This is someone's life.


brenda m - Apr 13, 2017 11:35:27 am PDT #23134 of 23273
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

They didn't even vote. Jeff was all "I think we're all agreed on who's going home?" and off he went.

I said to my sister halfway through that I really hoped they had Zeke's okay to broadcast, and I'm assuming that's the case from his perspective later at Tribal and afterwards.


brenda m - Apr 13, 2017 12:38:27 pm PDT #23135 of 23273
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I went looking, because I wanted to be sure my guess was right and it appears the producers worked extensively with Zeke (and a consultant from GLAAD, apparently), to make sure he was comfortable with the episode.

But I really, highly recommend reading his own words. On Survivor, life, being trans, forgiveness and some other stuff: [link]

Really exceptional piece.


kat perez - Apr 13, 2017 2:27:10 pm PDT #23136 of 23273
"We have trust issues." Mylar

Oh, good. I'm glad that they were respectful of Zeke and his perspective. What a thing to have gone through. The piece he wrote was lovely.