I'm so evil and... skanky. And I think I'm kinda gay.

Willow ,'Storyteller'


Non-Fiction TV: I Reject Your Reality and Substitute My Own

This thread is for non-fiction TV, including but not limited to reality television (So You Think You Can Dance, Top Chef: Masters, Project Runway), documentaries (The History Channel, The Discovery Channel), and sundry (Expedition Africa, Mythbusters), et al. [NAFDA]


Liese S. - Dec 03, 2009 8:57:19 am PST #12180 of 23273
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

SYTYCD: In totes agreement. The opening number was awful. And it was the choreo that was the problem, for sure. Go away, Tasty!

LXD was astounding. Not just the moves and tricks, but the precision and how they were able to incorporate everything into a cohesive piece.

I also was happy to see Hok & Dominic, but that whole number came off weird.

I'm glad about the elims, especially because KathrynWTFAmerica? But now that Nathan's out, as well as another 18 year old, I have some minor thinky about the young'uns.

I think this show does them a disservice by wanting to cast so young. At their age, especially Nathan as a guy, they're not even finished growing yet. They just don't have full enough control over their bodies and their self-expression to be successful in this context.

Let me step aside to say that I know full well dance is a young person's game. I know in ballet if you're 14 and not in the full training regime, you're ancient and probably not going to make it. But that's in an environment of training and discipline and growth. (Hopefully. In a good one.)

This is a different thing. And it was so hard to see Nathan getting beat up like that because really, he's just a kid. Of course he thinks he's the best thing ever, and of course he is hurt and disappointed and cries. He's 18! He also thinks that he's immortal and that actions don't have consequences. I'm assuming. He may well be a perfectly mature and well balanced kid, I don't know the guy.

I'm just saying that physically, emotionally, and artistically, it's awfully young to be on such a large national stage, especially without a mentorship role on the show.

That leaves aside the other issue, which I was saving to talk about after Mollee got eliminated, but that may not be forthcoming anytime soon. I know this show is not great on social justice issues. But it's always been skeevy to me to see the judges push sexualization so hard on the young female dancers. I didn't see it happen with Nathan so much, so it's a gender thing.

I know dance and sex are kinda intertwined. And you definitely need to be able to bring the sexy to win this show. But it makes me uncomfortable to watch bubbly teenagers be told that their success as a dancer is based so heavily on their willingness to trade on their sexuality. It may be true. But I don't like it.

Not that teenagers aren't sexual creatures. By the time I was Mollee's age I was married and happily having as much of Teh Sex as possible. It just comes off as, well, off to me to see the way it's presented in the critiques on this show. Does that make sense?


flea - Dec 03, 2009 9:08:30 am PST #12181 of 23273
information libertarian

I think it's tied into Nigel's deep discomfort with the same-sex ballroom dancing - he thinks in dance, women must be sexy, and men strong. Not just Nigel, but dance culture as a whole, especially ballroom, but did you see those pics of Mollee as a little kid in JonBenet Ramsey getup, and even Ellenore in bright red lipstick at 4 years old?

I think the last group in the Snoop Dogg dance was these kids recently profiled in the New York Times (great article!): [link]


kat perez - Dec 03, 2009 9:20:26 am PST #12182 of 23273
"We have trust issues." Mylar

I will just sit and nod at everything Liese just said because word.


Vortex - Dec 03, 2009 9:29:59 am PST #12183 of 23273
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Oh, one thing I loved in the LXD number was the guy who was moving in slow motion while the other three dancers where just whizzing around. Excellent!


Stephanie - Dec 03, 2009 9:43:01 am PST #12184 of 23273
Trust my rage

WHo was eliminated on Top Chef? My Tivo cut it off just as Tom was telling the remaining three how they were all great but someone had to go.

eta: Previous comments upthread seem to hint it was Jen?


Frankenbuddha - Dec 03, 2009 9:47:39 am PST #12185 of 23273
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

eta: Previous comments upthread seem to hint it was Jen?

It was. Sadly.


Stephanie - Dec 03, 2009 10:08:52 am PST #12186 of 23273
Trust my rage

That's too bad. She was so awesome through much of the season. I'd love to hear her own thoughts on what happened to her in this show.

Well, I guess that just leaves the brothers and Kevin. I like Kevin. Is Bryan the cool, slightly older and nicer brother? And Michael is the sort of douch-y one?


Frankenbuddha - Dec 03, 2009 10:10:24 am PST #12187 of 23273
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Is Bryan the cool, slightly older and nicer brother? And Michael is the sort of douch-y one?

Yes and yes, at least in my opinion (on the nicer vs. douch-y - Bryan is the older one definitely)


Jesse - Dec 03, 2009 10:24:54 am PST #12188 of 23273
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Come on -- Michael is like a douche-a-palooza.


Frankenbuddha - Dec 03, 2009 10:27:03 am PST #12189 of 23273
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Come on -- Michael is like a douche-a-palooza.

It's just I've seen some people complaining (I don't think here though) how obnoxiously passive-agressive Bryan is, but I don't really see him that way.