Eggs. The living legend needs eggs. Or maybe another milk.

Jayne ,'Jaynestown'


Natter 52: Playing with a full deck?  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Jun 19, 2007 2:30:40 pm PDT #3807 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Dammit - there goes my "they're doing it just to pick up flat-earther chicks" theory....


DavidS - Jun 19, 2007 2:32:29 pm PDT #3808 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Okay, kidding.

Yeah, but they used to exist.

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The modern flat earth movement originated with an eccentric English inventor, Samuel Rowbotham (1816-1884). Based on his literal interpretation of certain biblical passages, Rowbotham published a 16-page pamphlet, which he later expanded into a 430 page book Earth Not a Globe expounding his views. According to Rowbotham's system, which he called "Zetetic Astronomy", the earth is a flat disk centered at the North Pole and bounded along its southern edge by a wall of ice, with the sun and moon 3000 miles and the "cosmos" 3100 miles above earth.

Rowbotham and his followers gained notoriety by engaging in raucous public debates with leading scientists of the day. One such clash, involving the prominent naturalist Alfred Russel Wallace, led to several lawsuits for fraud and libel.

After Rowbotham's death, his followers established the Universal Zetetic Society, published a magazine entitled The Earth Not a Globe Review and remained active well into the early part of the 20th century. After World War I, the movement underwent a slow decline.


§ ita § - Jun 19, 2007 2:35:15 pm PDT #3809 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yeah, but they used to exist.

That I got no issue with. I mean, they weren't on the Internet.


DavidS - Jun 19, 2007 2:39:25 pm PDT #3810 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

That I got no issue with. I mean, they weren't on the Internet.

They were still around in a not-kidding way to dispute satellite photos of earth.

Now you've got me looking up obsolete scientific theories: Aether drag hypothesis, Sublunary sphere, Miasma theory of disease, Open polar sea, Etheric force.

These are all good band names.


billytea - Jun 19, 2007 2:44:14 pm PDT #3811 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

17 doesn't need reasons to be liked. All it needs is its essence of 17-ness.

And, seventeen species of penguin!


§ ita § - Jun 19, 2007 2:44:51 pm PDT #3812 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

They were still around in a not-kidding way to dispute satellite photos of earth.

Still got no issue with that. With these guys? You betchya.


Connie Neil - Jun 19, 2007 2:46:12 pm PDT #3813 of 10001
brillig

So some of them are Erisian/Dadaists.

Hm, it appears the Planned Human Extinction people have vanished from the Internet. Which would fit with their plan.


DavidS - Jun 19, 2007 2:52:09 pm PDT #3814 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Now I'm trying to parse the differences between protoscience, fringe science, pseudoscience and junk science.


tommyrot - Jun 19, 2007 2:57:54 pm PDT #3815 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

All different flavors of suck?


DavidS - Jun 19, 2007 3:15:44 pm PDT #3816 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

All different flavors of suck?

Untrue buckaroo!

Protoscience is basically theories which haven't been proven yet. So when Newton has a eureka moment with an apple it's protoscience until we can prove it. Not all protoscience becomes Science, though. Often (usually?) it's proved false.

Freudian psychoanalysis is also considered protoscience. It has elements in it (such as the theory of the unconscious) which cannot be proved scientifically. It may be true, but can't be proven yet.

String theory may yet wind up as Protoscience, I guess. The Grand Unification Theory of physics is protoscience.

Tectonic plate theory was fringe science originally. It was an alternate theory to scientific orthodoxy that was eventually proved correct.

Pseudoscience are things which look scientific but have an unscientific basis. Like Intelligent Design.

Junk Science is false science which is agenda driven. That is, the result is determined beforehand and the facts are rearranged to meet that result.

In sum: fringe and protoscience are a bit whacky, but often become real science. Pseudoscience and Junk Science are of the suck.

Also, Proto-Clown liked to smash things.