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Experimental TV: Non-Fiction  

This thread is part of an experiment to discern the Buffistas' future interest in television discussion. It will remain open until June 1st, 2007, upon which date there will be spirited debate regarding the infinite possibilities for our board's development. This thread is for non-fiction tv, including but not limited to documentaries and reality shows. [NAFDA]


NoiseDesign - May 15, 2007 8:13:05 pm PDT #503 of 767
Our wings are not tired

I'm finally catching up on some old episodes of Dirty Jobs that I pulled off my Tivo. This episode is wine making and a cattle farm. I don't watch this show nearly often enough.


IAmNotReallyASpring - May 16, 2007 2:56:24 am PDT #504 of 767
I think Freddy Quimby should walk out of here a free hotel

there are a number of players who have made it to the final four/three just because they were non-threatening. And then some of them have made it to the final two due to the luck of the draw with the last challenge. Kudos to them for making it, but I don't think it makes them good players. Some have done that as a strategy, but most of them I think were clueless.

I don't think they were clueless so much as they were thinking 'Acting in such a way has kept me from elimination so I'll continue to act like that.' In many cases, it hasn't been much more sophisticated but since that's the fundamental thread that informs every player's behaviour from a Yul to a Lydia, it's difficult to criticize it, especially when it's being pretty successful.

I think it's been a very long time since the best strategic player has won the game, actually -- there's a herd instinct now to vote out the smart players that didn't exist in the first few seasons,

If being the best strategic player is getting you booted, then, I think, you're not actually the best strategic player because your strategy isn't conducive to staying in the game.

is Yau-Man a worse player than Dreamz because his arms aren't as strong? I don't think so.

I think he's a worse player because he didn't create a comfortable position for himself in the game and his arms weren't as strong. Yau-Man fudged around with aggressive deal-making which didn't help him much when he should have been approaching Boo and Earl with talk of a Dreamzless final four.

I am interested though in finding out what the original final immunity challenge was going to be before the producers changed it so Dreamz would win and the deal drama could happen.


Theodosia - May 16, 2007 2:59:02 am PDT #505 of 767
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

::<3's Mike Rowe::


brenda m - May 16, 2007 3:24:25 am PDT #506 of 767
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Luck doesn't play into it, good or bad? Getting caught up by other people's machinations, for good or bad, doesn't play into it? "You won, therefore you were best" is the kind of tautology that, if nothing else, would pretty much suck all the interest out of the show for me.


megan walker - May 16, 2007 4:39:12 am PDT #507 of 767
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I am interested though in finding out what the original final immunity challenge was going to be before the producers changed it so Dreamz would win and the deal drama could happen.

This I think is one of the particular problems with the "the best player is the player that wins" theory. Often, because of the last immunity challenge, the best strategist is the person booted because they are the biggest threat. Was Neleh one of the best players? Lillian? Jenna? It's not that I don't think "coasting" should mean you don't win, I just don't think it makes you the best player.

I agree with Kat that one of the great things about this season is that most people were trying actively to strategize and alliances were constantly shifting. There wasn't the typical random group of four that forms an alliance the first day.

Also, Kat is me regarding last night's AI.


Jessica - May 16, 2007 6:27:29 am PDT #508 of 767
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

It's not that I don't think "coasting" should mean you don't win, I just don't think it makes you the best player.

There's also a major difference between playing an "under the radar" strategy, and just being a quiet and friendly person. Having a nonthreatening personality is not strategy under any definition in my book, but it does help you to win. Same goes for athleticism -- it's not a strategy, but it helps.


Kathy A - May 16, 2007 7:03:58 am PDT #509 of 767
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I'm finally catching up on some old episodes of Dirty Jobs that I pulled off my Tivo. This episode is wine making and a cattle farm. I don't watch this show nearly often enough.

My OnDemand doesn't give me enough episodes of Dirty Jobs to watch when there's nothing else on. Give me more Mike Rowe!!! (I love that he's the new voice of Ford commercials--he'll have a lifelong voiceover career with that instrument of his.)

My favorite DJ was the ostrich ranch. Between the rancher giving him grief for spilling feed, watching Mike's utter disgust over the foul-smelling regurgitated stuff in the water bowls, seeing him sweet-talk an ostrich to move so he could get to her eggs, and then watching the ostrich wrangling--just hilarious!!


Connie Neil - May 16, 2007 7:05:40 am PDT #510 of 767
brillig

My favorite DJ was the ostrich ranch.

And his utter certainty that he was about to be killed. Kind of like the gator farm. I wonder if I can rent the Dirty Jobs DVDs.


NoiseDesign - May 16, 2007 8:53:10 am PDT #511 of 767
Our wings are not tired

I also love that he narrates Deadliest Catch.


Connie Neil - May 16, 2007 9:16:38 am PDT #512 of 767
brillig

The hospital here has cable, so when Hubby was in for his latest surgery we tracked down Discovery so we could watch Deadliest Catch.