Here's the marriage traditions page of a Roma website run by a leader in the Bay Area Roma community:
[link]
About Roma/non-Roma marriage, he says:
He or she is expected to marry someone within their particular tribe and most Roma conform by marrying within their group. Even with respect to other Roma, permissible marriage choices may be restricted. This is a way of maintaining tribal and social purity. If a Roma male marries a gadji, his community may eventually accept her, provided that she adopts the Romani way of life. But it is a worse violation of the marimé code for a Roma female to marry a gadjo, because Roma women are the guarantors for the survival of the population. In the case of a mixed marriage, many tribes consider the children Roma only if the father is Roma.
eta: I just googled "Irish Traveller marriage" and, from the first 20 or so results, it looks like the Travellers are much more hostile to exogamy than the Roma, to such an extent that a huge percentage of the Google results point to medical journal articles studying genetic anomalies in the Travellers due to almost exclusive marriage within clans.
Here's a Traveller's own perspective on it.
And, googling more, there's... not much about marriage traditions except some brief asides in papers about other subjects that note that people who marry outside tend to fall away from the culture so it's discouraged, and that the most common marriages outside the clans tend to be with Scottish Travellers and Roma, i.e., other nomads.
Huh, I thought Travellers were Irish Rom. Off to Wikipedia, I guess!
I'm LOVING this show. THere were distractions last monday, so I missed some big chunks of the last ep, though I caught enough that there were some laugh until I cried bits.
This show is remarkable. It's very clearly about the web of lies that so often seems to make up the world, and what it actually true among that. I think what the writers are setting up is a situation where even though the Malloys are the ones most actively fabricating their existence in Eden Falls, everyone else but them is hiding much more expansive lies.
Also, in re: Theo's question about Wayne -- he's half traveller. They have not (that I've caught) explained which of Wayne's parents were legit, and what his full back story is, nor have they explained how Wayne managed to get permission to marry Dahlia (except by implication that Dahlia's dad liked Wayne more than even his own son, and wanted somebody compotent to run the family after he was gone).
They have not (that I've caught) explained which of Wayne's parents were legit, and what his full back story is, nor have they explained how Wayne managed to get permission to marry Dahlia (except by implication that Dahlia's dad liked Wayne more than even his own son, and wanted somebody compotent to run the family after he was gone).
Thanks, Sean, that's what I was thinking of.
Irish Travellers distinguish themselves from the settled communities of the countries in which they live by their own language and customs. Shelta (also known as the Cant) is the traditional language of Travellers but they also speak English with a distinct accent and mannerisms. The historical origins of Travellers as a group has been a subject of dispute. Some argue that the Irish Travellers are descended from another nomadic people called the Tarish. It was once widely believed that Travellers were descended from landowners who were made homeless in Oliver Cromwell's military campaign in Ireland and in the 1840s famine, but evidence shows that they have dwelt in Ireland since at least the Middle Ages. >[link]
And Slate explained it nicely here: [link]
JZ. I think you summed up everything I love about The Riches.
Robin Hood: I really thought based on the previews that showed
Sir Guy all strung up
that this was going to be an episode that would really grow from the excellent 2nd to last scene last week but
sadly, it fell flat for me. I'm not sure why.
Nobody's watching The Riches tonight? I'm loving this episode!
My stoopid DVR didn't catch it, so I am taping the second airing.
As soon as it happens here, I'm watching.
Yay! I'll wait till y'all are done to gush.
