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Boxed Set, Vol. IV: It's always suicide-mission this, save-the-planet that.  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


tommyrot - Feb 04, 2008 6:30:17 am PST #9907 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Was it one of those slow-motion explosions? Those are pretty easy to outrun....


lisah - Feb 04, 2008 6:37:27 am PST #9908 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

Was it one of those slow-motion explosions? Those are pretty easy to outrun....

bwah! yes! I was confused because suddenly they were all back at Torchwood and there was no explanation.


Dana - Feb 04, 2008 6:43:00 am PST #9909 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Maybe the BBCA edit cut something. I don't remember the details from the airing I watched a week and a half ago.


Fred Pete - Feb 04, 2008 7:05:20 am PST #9910 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

The paramedic caused the explosion at the underpass. The driver behind him was honking and yelling. Don't know whether he survived. Nobody from Torchwood was there.

The slomo explosion was the guy with the shirt and tie who killed the city emergency planning chief and his family. Torchwooders were there. I assumed they got back to HQ during the commercial break, and we didn't see it because nothing of moment happened.


shrift - Feb 04, 2008 7:09:12 am PST #9911 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Maybe the BBCA edit cut something.

I suspect this. I remember that all the sleepers exploderated but Beth and the last dude, and that they showed most of the explosions and also confirmed it in dialogue.


lisah - Feb 04, 2008 7:10:49 am PST #9912 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

I was also reading the newspaper as I watched so it's possible I missed a line or two of dialogue.


sumi - Feb 04, 2008 7:23:36 am PST #9913 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Sarah Jane Adventures are going to air on Scifi this APRIL!


tommyrot - Feb 04, 2008 7:24:39 am PST #9914 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

"There's death and despair," he said, "but less violence and more fun. Also, more hugs."

Huh.


Jon B. - Feb 04, 2008 8:17:33 am PST #9915 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Have you seen the SJAs, Tommy? I can confirm that there is more hugging. Less M/M snogging, but more hugging.


Liese S. - Feb 04, 2008 8:59:48 am PST #9916 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Torchwood 2.02: I actually had a lot of problems with this episode. I got talked down off some of them on lj, but I still feel like overall, there were some hot button problems.

I felt like it was too close to the Cyberwoman episode with a black female being Other, mysterious and dangerous, possessed by something else, and without agency outside of her husband, with the only possible ending for her to go down in a hail of Torchwood bullets. Not just one bullet.

She's half of a mixed race couple and is automatically assumed to be the villain. She is incarcerated, coerced, and ultimately subjected to extreme and potentially lethal levels of pain to force a confession.

The other angle to it, the sleeper cell/terrorism thing is a problem for me, too, but I have to give it more thought.

Because, after going somewhat ape upon seeing the ep, I read this fascinating discourse over at lj, where BHP expresses several of my objections. Make sure you read the whole thing, because there's a British POV in there that completely flipped my world around and makes me think differently about the ep.

Before reading that, I felt that I was being asked to accept that Jack, the hardcore boss figure, Did The Right Thing, and we should all get in line and applaud his willingness to make the tough decision, blah blah. But what the commenter in the journal said was, look, the cultural bias here means that we see the charismatic, charming Jack as charismatic, charming, and (and this is the important bit) fundamentally untrustworthy. The American wartime imagery that is Jack, is an image that brings with it a completely different subtext. The expectation is that Jack will recommend direct action, after which one of the team will come up with the right answer.

I'm paraphrasing here, so unAmericans can correct me at will, but I found this fascinating. That recasts the entire way I view the episode, and indeed probably the series. If I'm being asked to view Jack as untrustworthy, then I'm intended to view his abrasive choices with discomfort. In fact the whole thing becomes a negative commentary on American torture practices instead of a tacit approval or at least nonaction.

That still leaves my objection to yet another mixed race couple (yay, mixed race couples!) where the minority female is ultimately evil and causes pain and/or death to the white male. But I know that ita, among others, feels differently about the depiction, so I'm willing to have the discussion further.