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Boxed Set, Vol. IV: It's always suicide-mission this, save-the-planet that.  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Nutty - Jan 23, 2008 10:05:43 am PST #9666 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Last series' shooting lesson? Totally hot.

See, I watched that scene and was like, This is how British people get their illicit thrills, isn't it? Because violence is more censored, and guns are so rare IRL, it was just very... gun-porny, and not nearly as porn-porny as I think it would have been if it had been done for an American series.


Emily - Jan 23, 2008 10:11:16 am PST #9667 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Does it indicate a specific preference for Gwen? I dunno that it does, necessarily, although it might.

Yeah, I had some... goggle trouble, if you will, with that scene. Through understanding-of-the-character goggles, it looked like exactly what you're describing -- generally sensual person, rolls with the tension inherent in the situation. Through narrative-TV-script-conventions goggles, it looked like a JackNGwen4ev! kind of thing. On the other hand, maybe I'm too jaded and underestimating the writers. That'd be lovely.


§ ita § - Jan 23, 2008 10:53:52 am PST #9668 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Because violence is more censored, and guns are so rare IRL, it was just very... gun-porny, and not nearly as porn-porny as I think it would have been if it had been done for an American series.

You could switch that basic scenario to a pool table and still have it be hot--and guns aren't that rare (rare enough to significantly elevate the label of hot past America) in Britain. They have cop shows with people running around and shooting each other too.


Nutty - Jan 23, 2008 11:27:46 am PST #9669 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

guns aren't that rare

Still, it was an American expatriate civilian teaching a British police officer how to fire a weapon, and enjoy the everliving daylights out of it. I think there's warrant to see fetishism in that.

Pool table, and I think it would go toward fetishizing expertise, or bravado, or pure kinetic smoove; but when the whole point is to stand still and squeeze your index finger, while the camera swoops and stares adoringly...

(Anyway, I think we all agree with Liese's point that it was some kind of porny!)


Scrappy - Jan 23, 2008 11:42:15 am PST #9670 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Oh, I thought the guns were totally just an excuse for the intimacy. The close-ups of the scene were of their eyes and faces mostly, not the shiny gun and gun barrel, etc. A lot of the time the gun isn't even in the frame. It's the proximity and the touching.


§ ita § - Jan 23, 2008 12:32:47 pm PST #9671 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What Scrappy said. I think finding the guns a sexy part of that equation is an American way to look at it, now that I think more on it. Toss in a side of "I am manly, little lady--witness my prowess" on top of the closeness, and we have the hot.


Pinwiz - Jan 23, 2008 12:34:37 pm PST #9672 of 10001
Missing in action since 2002...

::pokes uk bittorrent people for new TW::


Nutty - Jan 23, 2008 1:10:55 pm PST #9673 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

The close-ups of the scene were of their eyes and faces mostly, not the shiny gun and gun barrel, etc

Right, but, they were also just shooting the living daylights out of everything, without aiming or taking any precautions or even much of a formal stance. Compare to the target-practice scenes that you see in (American) TV series all the time... Which came first, Capt. Jack turning everything into sex, or sex turning everything towards Capt. Jack?

As these things go, not a bad dilemma to have.


askye - Jan 23, 2008 1:15:22 pm PST #9674 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

I always stifle a laugh when capt Jack draws a gun, it's so....unnatural looking. Or reminds me a bit of Kirk fighting in Star Trek, I can't real explain it but over the top fakey I guess.

Not that I don't love Capt Jack but he's better at flirting than drawing a pistol.


Pinwiz - Jan 23, 2008 2:38:28 pm PST #9675 of 10001
Missing in action since 2002...

TW 2.2:

Torchwood + Big Bad = Woo!