Jon's thoughts are my thoughts. i also think that thinking too much about time travel will make your head hurt and you probably don't need that, ita.
Anya, the Shopkeepers of America called. They wanted me to tell you that 'please go' just got replaced with 'have a nice day.'
Xander ,'Selfless'
Boxed Set, Vol. IV: It's always suicide-mission this, save-the-planet that.
A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
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tiggy - Jan 20, 2008 2:37:10 pm PST #9512 of 10001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore
Dana - Jan 20, 2008 2:40:41 pm PST #9513 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
The timeline's established in "Utopia", Doctor Who season 3. After Rose makes him immortal, he's stranded on the space station in the year 200,000-something, and he uses his "vortex manipulator" (the thing on his wrist) to jump back to Earth. But it's imprecise, so he ended up in 1800-something. He's lived on Earth since then.
§ ita § - Jan 20, 2008 3:11:19 pm PST #9514 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
But isn't he already Captain Jack when he meets the Doctor?
Dana - Jan 20, 2008 3:13:20 pm PST #9515 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
Yes. So that's during WWII, when he's there as a con man, having taken the name of Captain Jack Harkness.
§ ita § - Jan 20, 2008 3:16:04 pm PST #9516 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Okay. Talk to me slowly. Captain Jack is born somewhere with a real name on a different planet. Does he go to Earth in WWII before he meets the Doctor? If so, is he there twice, since he strands himself in the 1800s trying to get to him again?
Dana - Jan 20, 2008 3:18:59 pm PST #9517 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
Does he go to Earth in WWII before he meets the Doctor?
Yes.
If so, is he there twice, since he strands himself in the 1800s trying to get to him again?
Presumably, though we haven't heard it addressed on screen at all. I figure that the second time through, he's savvy enough to avoid the first iteration of himself. He avoids meeting Rose during the 1990s.
§ ita § - Jan 20, 2008 3:45:03 pm PST #9518 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I throw my hands up. I guess this is as much as I'll understand it unless they paint pretty pictures on my TV screen.
Laura - Jan 20, 2008 3:48:06 pm PST #9519 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.
They have been painting pretty pictures, just not so much with the timelines.
hippocampus - Jan 20, 2008 4:56:50 pm PST #9520 of 10001
not your mom's socks.
just saw our first two Torchwoods (yes, slow. toddler)... the end of this season and "they keep killing [someone]". Not good order, but we like - we really like. Granted, I was prepared to like.
victor infante - Jan 20, 2008 5:52:08 pm PST #9521 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
Okay. Talk to me slowly. Captain Jack is born somewhere with a real name on a different planet. Does he go to Earth in WWII before he meets the Doctor? If so, is he there twice, since he strands himself in the 1800s trying to get to him again?
Jack's timeline:
- Born somewhere in (I think) the 52nd Century. Becomes a time agent. Loses about two years of memories and goes rogue, escaping to World War II.
- Takes the identity Capt. Jack Harkness. Meets the Doctor. Heads off on many adventures, the last of which he dies and is resurrected on. Gets stranded in the future and uses his wrist device to travel back to the 19th Century, a trip which fries the device.
- Travels to the 21st Century again the long way. which is to say, one day at a time for more than a century. Obviously, there were two of him running around for a spell here. (Actually, there were probably three. See below)
- Eventually joins Torchwood under undisclosed circumstances, and takes charge of either just the Cardiff branch or the entire operation after The Doctor's Battle of Canary Wharf.
- Travels with Toshiko briefly back in time to World War II, meeting the Capt. Jack Harkness whose name he borrowed.
- Clings to the side of the Tardis, travels to the end of the world, makes peace with The Doctor, reveals that he's probably the Face of Boe.
Any clearer?