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Angel: I can stay in town as long as you want me. Buffy: How's forever? Does forever work for you?
'Lies My Parents Told Me'
Boxed Set, Vol. IV: It's always suicide-mission this, save-the-planet that.
A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.
Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.
This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.
Dana - Oct 21, 2007 1:14:19 pm PDT #7732 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
quester - Oct 21, 2007 3:06:30 pm PDT #7733 of 10001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.
Rant away, Liese! We're here for ya!
Fay - Oct 21, 2007 4:28:01 pm PDT #7734 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
Go for it, Liese!
I confess I find Toshiko one of the least developed of the characters - she's pretty much a walking stereotype, most of the time, and her crush on Owen makes my head explode.
(But I did fancy the pants off Mary, and was thus vicariously glad Tosh got the hot alien girlfriend, albeit fleetingly. Just a pity she wasn't a nice, normal hot dyke with a jewellery fetish.)
Meanwhile, you're coming up on one of my favourite episodes. Although YMMV.
sumi - Oct 21, 2007 4:31:28 pm PDT #7735 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
You mean the next one? " Everybody Keeps Killing Suzie " (I think.)
Liese S. - Oct 21, 2007 4:38:41 pm PDT #7736 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."
Well, that's kinda why I'm dithering about the rant. Waffling. Because sometimes I feel like all I post about shows are criticisms of gender and race issues. I know it's television. I know that brilliant statements about society and life and philosophy aren't going to come pouring out of the shiny box. I'm not sure I would expect them to.
And I guess I'm glad there are now more minority depictions to get angry about. And I don't want to MinoritySue everybody where every depiction of a minority character must be one that is a shining example of humanity, whom everyone adores and/or wants to sleep with, unless I'm on about sexual politics, in which case everyone adores, but politely, from a respectful distance, and who is expert in their field and a mentor to small children with terminal illnesses, but with lovely, almond shaped eyes and glowing olive skin.
I just wish sometimes I didn't have to rant quite so much, you know?
Vortex - Oct 21, 2007 4:44:27 pm PDT #7737 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
So, is Toshiko actually gay or was she so lonely that she just got involved with someone who fancied her?
le nubian - Oct 21, 2007 4:47:22 pm PDT #7738 of 10001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
Liese,
I'm right there with you and would love to read your rant. But if you are interested in more people like yourself ranting, may I suggest you check out:
sumi - Oct 21, 2007 4:48:55 pm PDT #7739 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
Really, so far as I can tell, everyone on Torchwood is at least bi-sexual. And Jack is of course, more.
§ ita § - Oct 21, 2007 4:54:40 pm PDT #7740 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm operating at a bit of a fuzzy distance, but I hear you with the MinoritySue thing. Hell, fandom's got a lot of white women more upset at black deaths than I am. Because in my world, black people die as a matter of course.
However, more on topic, they're all kinda skank and mostly sexually compromised, aren't they? Feel free to refresh my memory if she is any more. And other than Gwene (and perhaps Owen a bit later) not very dimensional at all.
I'm not putting forward a concrete argument here, just recollection as noted. Feel free to shoot it down, one and all.
Vortex - Oct 21, 2007 5:08:21 pm PDT #7741 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman