You never know if a girl's gonna say 'yes', or if she's gonna laugh in your face and pull out your still-beating heart and crush it into the ground with her heel.

Xander ,'Help'


Boxed Set, Vol. IV: It's always suicide-mission this, save-the-planet that.  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 03, 2007 4:29:46 am PDT #5990 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I believe there was a series of books (or maybe more than one) that involved Gallifrey and the Time Lords going kaboom, but presumably RTD isn't using more than the same basic concept.


DCJensen - Sep 03, 2007 5:04:16 am PDT #5991 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

I think Matt's right.

In a Wiki [link] it details some semblance of the story, but the page as a whole has spoilers for series 3 of the new Who.

The last great Time War is first alluded to in the first episode of the 2005 series, "Rose". There, the Ninth Doctor explains to his companion, Rose Tyler, that the reason behind the Nestene Consciousness' invasion of Earth was because its food planets were destroyed in "the war". Later in the episode, the Doctor states that he fought in the war, but he was unable to save the Nestenes' planet.

In the following episode, "The End of the World", set five billion years in the future, Jabe of the Forest of Cheem expresses amazement that the Doctor, a Time Lord, still exists, implying that the war had consequences up and down history. At the end of that episode, the Doctor confesses to Rose that the war had destroyed his home planet, leaving him the only surviving Time Lord.

In the third episode, "The Unquiet Dead", the Doctor encounters the ghostly Gelth, aliens from another dimension whose bodies had been destroyed by the war. The Gelth say that the war was unseen by "lower species" but devastating to the "higher" ones.

In "Dalek", the sixth episode, it is revealed that the Time Lords' adversaries in the war were the Daleks. The Doctor claims responsibility for the destruction of ten million Dalek ships but also admits that the Time Lords "burned" with them. What actually started the war was not stated, but executive producer Russell T. Davies commented in an episode of the documentary series Doctor Who Confidential that the origins of the war dated back to the 1975 serial Genesis of the Daleks, where the Time Lords send the Fourth Doctor into the past in an attempt to avert the Daleks' creation or affect their development to make them less aggressive.


Jon B. - Sep 03, 2007 5:30:50 am PDT #5992 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Thanks guys. I'd been assuming that RTD (in Daniel's references above) was merely calling back to existing canon. I'd no idea he'd made it all up.


JenP - Sep 03, 2007 5:37:44 am PDT #5993 of 10001

Thanks guys. I'd been assuming that RTD (in Daniel's references above) was merely calling back to existing canon. I'd no idea he'd made it all up.

Same here. Very illuminating!


Tom Scola - Sep 03, 2007 5:52:05 am PDT #5994 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

If you look at the progression from "Genesis of the Daleks" in 1975, all the way to "Remembrance of the Daleks" in 1988, the Time War is a logical extension of all that.

The specifics of which only exist in RTD's mind, though.


Jon B. - Sep 03, 2007 5:59:14 am PDT #5995 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

If you look at the progression from "Genesis of the Daleks" in 1975, all the way to "Remembrance of the Daleks" in 1988, the Time War is a logical extension of all that.

Are there other series in between those two that you'd consider a part of that progression, or would watching those two cover it?


Liese S. - Sep 03, 2007 8:17:14 am PDT #5996 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Man, I really need to get with my backstory. Wish we still had Netflix.


Polter-Cow - Sep 03, 2007 9:01:59 am PDT #5997 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Thanks guys. I'd been assuming that RTD (in Daniel's references above) was merely calling back to existing canon. I'd no idea he'd made it all up.

I forget when I found that out, but it was so odd to find out. Because although I do have vague memories of watching the Eighth Doctor movie, Nine was really my true introduction to Doctor Who, and the Doctor as a character was so defined as being the Last of the Time Lords following the Time War, I couldn't imagine how the character could be as interesting in previous incarnations.


Vortex - Sep 03, 2007 1:46:45 pm PDT #5998 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

BTW, David Tennant will be a guest on the Graham Norton show on BBCA on Saturday night at 10PM


quester - Sep 03, 2007 2:30:04 pm PDT #5999 of 10001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

I was a huge Doctor Who fan when I lived in Madison. They ran marathons every pledge drive because the whovians were the biggest contributers. I saw some of all of the doctors up until the guy nobody liked...number 7 maybe? I saw none of McCoy except in the movie with McGann.