Mal: Well said. Wasn't that well said, Zoe? Zoe: Had a kind poetry to it, sir.

'Out Of Gas'


Boxed Set, Vol. IV: It's always suicide-mission this, save-the-planet that.  

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Beverly - Jul 11, 2007 7:26:06 am PDT #3630 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Colin, I really like the different aspect we're seeing of Jack. He seems to have more dimension, just in this one episode. He wasn't one-note sitcom funny before, not by any means, but there appear to be more layers and more depth to him, and that's heady stuff to watch.

You are subtle, nerdish, and adorkable all in one. This is why I heart you. (MANDROID!)

Whew. I didn't think anybody caught that. Shoulda trusted my sister in flail, whom I heart right back.


esse - Jul 11, 2007 7:38:11 am PDT #3631 of 10001
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

For having watched only the one episode of Eureka, I was really able to follow along in the second season premiere. And I enjoyed it! Poor Henry--I assume he's been lighter in previous episodes, but you could really feel his helpless rage at circumstance and at the universe for tearing itself apart and at Jack for being the agent against catastrophe. It will be interesting to see what he does with his work, now that Jack isn't capable of looking over his shoulder. Even more interesting is how ruthless he might become in search of a way to slip the paradox and get his wife back.

And poor Jack as well--I think it's probably a good thing that he good his memories wiped, a good thing for Jack if not for Henry. Watching him go from the certainty that things would work out for him and Allison to continual doubt, and the knowledge that he would probably slip himself up trying to make it work, must have been crushing. The little notes in the dialog from alternate-world really added some dimension to that. Nicely done.

Good show! I look forward to seeing more.


§ ita § - Jul 11, 2007 8:04:15 am PDT #3632 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Hey, Colin--we getting podcasts for season 2?


Topic!Cindy - Jul 11, 2007 8:20:59 am PDT #3633 of 10001
What is even happening?

From my perspective, I stop a guy from saving the love of his life and then have a speech about how much it cost me to do it. I did my best but it felt really selfish... hopefully it gets chalked up to "the grand recap".

Oh no, not selfish -- or at least, not from Jack's POV. Jack woke up one morning having lived a life in which he had remarried, was expecting a baby. When he made the sacrifice, it was only a one-day sort of sacrifice to those of us who knew better. In the moment, Jack was sacrificing a good chunk of his own family, including his unborn child. I think Henry and Jack's sacrifices must be somewhat equivalent from Jack's perspective.


Kathy A - Jul 11, 2007 8:24:02 am PDT #3634 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

The Flick Filosopher says that "'Eureka’ returns and reels me in."


SailAweigh - Jul 11, 2007 8:45:19 am PDT #3635 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I think Henry and Jack's sacrifices must be somewhat equivalent from Jack's perspective.

That's how I felt. I wanted to bap Henry and tell him to quit thinking just about his pain, his loss. You may as well say that Henry forced Jack to kill his own baby by having to stop Henry. That may be taking it a little far, but I think Jack had as much pain as Henry and Henry was oblivious to it.


sumi - Jul 11, 2007 8:55:21 am PDT #3636 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Razor promo in case you didn't watch Eureka last night.


§ ita § - Jul 11, 2007 9:02:28 am PDT #3637 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Jack didn't know how much he was giving up by saving the world. And having learnt that, he really doesn't know.


Vortex - Jul 11, 2007 9:03:59 am PDT #3638 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

In the moment, Jack was sacrificing a good chunk of his own family, including his unborn child. I think Henry and Jack's sacrifices must be somewhat equivalent from Jack's perspective.

absolutely. They both lost their wives. yes, Allison's still around, but she's practically a stranger. In some ways, that could be worse. When someone's gone, they're gone; but when someone is there, knowing that you know how they think or what the back of their neck tastes like is a little harder. Kind of like "loved and lost"


Zenkitty - Jul 11, 2007 9:38:53 am PDT #3639 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Jack knew he was giving up Allison and the baby by going back. He had hope that that family would all come back to him, that it was meant to be, but it wasn't, and by the end of the episode he was realizing that.

And yeah, losing someone when they're gone-gone is different from losing someone when they're still right there, and worse, oblivious to the fact that you lost them. At least Allison gets to go on living.