I think obsessively loyal - so that he hasn't questioned his father's way of doing things - until recently.
Willow: Yikes. Imagine the things...Buffy: No! Stop imagining! All of you! Xander: Already got the visual.
'Dirty Girls'
Boxed Set, Vol. IV: It's always suicide-mission this, save-the-planet that.
A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
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sumi - Jun 05, 2007 6:06:53 am PDT #2287 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
Vortex - Jun 05, 2007 6:07:33 am PDT #2288 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
it's weird that Dean didn't.
First time commenter, recent flailer, but it doesn't surprise me at all. Dean's entire identity is tied up in his usefulness to/the opinions of other people. He wouldn't go against his dad's wishes.
Amy - Jun 05, 2007 6:09:34 am PDT #2289 of 10001
Because books.
I think it's very telling, too, that in Dean's "wishverse," his own desires were completely secondary (unless you count hugging his mom) to what he wanted for everyone else. Carmen was nice enough, but not exactly a great love -- just a convenient, sexy body who probably kept the bathroom clean and the fridge stocked.
askye - Jun 05, 2007 6:31:48 am PDT #2290 of 10001
Thrive to spite them
I think part of the difference is Sam being sheltered from a lot of it from both his age and Sam and John actively protecting him against what was going on.
sumi - Jun 05, 2007 6:33:33 am PDT #2291 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
Okay, somebody over at TWOP's Metallicar thread is asking if anyone can tell which episode from Angel this screencap is from. Anyone?
Lee - Jun 05, 2007 6:34:51 am PDT #2292 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
No, yeah, I don't disagree with you, Lee, but -- just the fact he's the only person in the world John never managed to drive away kind of automatically tattoos the word DOORMAT on his forehead in big black ornate letters.
Oh yeah, something not being weird for Dean does not come remotely close to it being normal.
tiggy - Jun 05, 2007 6:45:01 am PDT #2293 of 10001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore
it's dark on this screen, sumi, but it might be from A New World when Angel is chasing after Connor when he comes back from the hell dimension.
sumi - Jun 05, 2007 6:52:24 am PDT #2294 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
Okay, I can see that.
P.M. Marc - Jun 05, 2007 7:03:38 am PDT #2295 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
No, yeah, I don't disagree with you, Lee, but -- just the fact he's the only person in the world John never managed to drive away kind of automatically tattoos the word DOORMAT on his forehead in big black ornate letters.
Yeah, pretty much. And I don't think John was Mr. Hearts and Flowers with him, at all. I suspect much of their interaction was more like John barking at him about the car than not.
And Dean, well, he's the poster boy for codependent.
ITA that normal for Dean is weird for a Winchester.
Beverly - Jun 05, 2007 10:35:30 am PDT #2296 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.
Nutty, was it you who said Dean's emotional belief in a stable universe was stopped at age five? Which accounts for the fact that he's desperately attempting to maintain the status quo with and for what's left of his family, and continually failing, since the other two members haven't such a dire need for that stability. There was a lot more, but that was the central bit of info I took from that post.
Damn, I have to start being better about adding things to memories. That essay made so much sense to my understanding of Dean, and I wish I could find it again.