And there's the fact that a lot of men will play into it for a while too.
Please...Wesley...why can't I stay?
Fred ,'A Hole in the World'
Spike's Bitches 35: We Got a History
[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.
Daisy Jane - May 09, 2007 1:05:26 pm PDT #8238 of 10003
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."
Laura - May 09, 2007 1:07:08 pm PDT #8239 of 10003
Our wings are not tired.
I've known more than one man that was convinced his woman would change too. Nope, not gonna happen.
juliana - May 09, 2007 1:07:55 pm PDT #8240 of 10003
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…
And there's the fact that a lot of men will play into it for a while too.
Yup.
t still bitter
§ ita § - May 09, 2007 1:11:17 pm PDT #8241 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
What's that old chestnut? Men marry women hoping they won't change--women marry men hoping they will.
Creeps me right out, but I don't do relationships, so I don't think I get a vote.
I can't demand that you don't knowingly hurt me, but I have the right to want someone who won't.
I think, for me, the difference is between demand and ask. Might seem slight and semantic--sure I can ask. Demanding's too far.
I like the statement, even though it can be hard to live by. I've recently come round to making actual changes in friendships. It feels weird, putting in a rule with someone you've spoken to just about every week for the past...oh, 20 years, but I had to. Topic's been made verboten, and if she presses me on it, I just won't talk to her anymore.
you have an inalienable right to get what you want
Uh, doesn't it depend on what you want? Could be the extermination of the Serbs or something.
Daisy Jane - May 09, 2007 1:14:55 pm PDT #8242 of 10003
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."
I don't think that there's really the cultural expectation that men will change us though. We tame the beast! Reader I married him!
DebetEsse - May 09, 2007 1:15:32 pm PDT #8243 of 10003
Woe to the fucking wicked.
SPQ wisdom: People don't change. They just get more the same.
Yeah, it goes back to the whole Beauty and the Beast archetype. Bastages
§ ita § - May 09, 2007 1:16:52 pm PDT #8244 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I change. I have changed because of people. As far as I know any concerted effort to change me has failed, but I change. It's why I keep going, because I'm not all of me yet.
vw bug - May 09, 2007 1:17:50 pm PDT #8245 of 10003
Mostly lurking...
Oh, JZ, how frustrating! I'm so sorry, hon. Enjoy snuggling and martinis!
Daisy Jane - May 09, 2007 1:18:05 pm PDT #8246 of 10003
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."
I like the statement, even though it can be hard to live by.
Heh. Yeah, I'm not always awesome at following my own rules either. It's easier to be an asshole! I want you to do what I want, not just somebody! Sure, use me as a cudgel against that other woman! I don't like her either!
Atropa - May 09, 2007 1:20:46 pm PDT #8247 of 10003
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.
Oh, Pete and I still try to change each other. I keep trying to get him to have a wider range of tones of voice, he keeps trying to get me to not react to things in such wildly emotional ways. At some level, both of us know these changes aren't really going to happen. But we keep reminding each other to work at it.