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§ ita § - Nov 19, 2006 6:27:20 am PST #9889 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Wow.

You put a bunch of immature men, many of whom were very sick as children or had absent fathers or both, and all of whom escaped into over-muscled power fantasies as a result, in charge of a publishing subgroup with no prestige and little money. Several of them have never worked anywhere else, or if they have, it was at one of the few similar companies in the same industry that behave the same way. They’re still geeks, mentally, with low self-esteem and no success with women, few of whom they actually know in person, but they’re power brokers within their little world, and there are thousands like them who desperately want to be them… and you wonder why it all ends up so twisted?

The scenario she's talking about and the quote she quotes are heinous, but she's talking about real people above, and it tenses me up.


DavidS - Nov 19, 2006 7:08:44 am PST #9890 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

My experience in the comics industry was that there were a lot of geeks-made-good running it. And I don't doubt there's a fair amount of institutional sexism both culturally, and coloring the product.

But reading her blog, she's constructing a narrative about how she's been raped by comics that's kind of whackaloon. And I don't mean her charges of sexual harassment in the industry which I have no basis to judge. The creepy comic book store guys and her broken bloody vagina and her father's steroidal rage taken out on her Wonder Woman poster and the inside scuttlebutt on creating Identity Crisis and the tribute to Ned Halsey all merge together in her narrative as One Ginormous History Of Abuse And Betrayal By Comics. But she's the only real link in that chain.


§ ita § - Nov 19, 2006 7:14:13 am PST #9891 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The geek thing I'd be silly to try and contradict. It's the armchair psychology that goes from

immature men, many of whom were very sick as children or had absent fathers or both

and

low self-esteem and no success with women, few of whom they actually know in person

to

you wonder why it all ends up so twisted

Damning with faint praise, but the rape peril is shorthand that's been used over and over again, not just in comics. It's possible she has some insight into the personal histories of the majority of people working in the industry (but I strongly doubt it). Making there some sort of causal and unsurprising link between being ill, being a geek, and being twisted bothers me.

And this is coming from someone who rarely goes to her comic book store in street clothes, because she garners less attention in her krav stuff.


sumi - Nov 19, 2006 7:16:59 am PST #9892 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Okay, I read Astounishing #18 and I think I need to go back and do a re-read.

Also, have you noticed the odd choices that have been made as to which Angel scripts they're doing scriptbooks of?

#1 City Of -- made sense to me -- being the first episode.
#2 A Hole in the World - odd to skip, you know, the entire series to do the second book but still -- a good episode.
#3 Spin the Bottle - ?
#4 - Waiting in the Wings ????
#5 Five by Five & #6 Sanctuary -- good episodes -- but odd choices what with the Buffy crossover stuff.
#7 Smile Time

I don't know how many they are planning on doing -- but am I wrong in thinking that these are eccentric choices?


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 19, 2006 8:42:42 am PST #9893 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

#s 5 through 7 make sense to me, as the first two are a seminal two-parter with major repercussions for the Faith and Wesley characters, and #7 is a hugely popular comedic stand-alone. But I'd have thought "In the Dark," "Rm w/a Vu," "Somnambulist," "Eternity," "Blind Date," and any number of Season 2 episodes would be better choices than #s2 through 4.


Strega - Nov 19, 2006 1:05:49 pm PST #9894 of 10000

"Five by Five" is the only one Whedon didn't write, or co-write. I suspect that's why.


Frankenbuddha - Nov 20, 2006 3:42:53 am PST #9895 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

"Five by Five" is the only one Whedon didn't write, or co-write. I suspect that's why

I thought SMILE TIME was Ben Edlund, or was he co-writer?


sumi - Nov 20, 2006 5:03:12 am PST #9896 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

"Smile Time" was Joss & Ben Edlund.


Glamcookie - Nov 21, 2006 11:08:49 am PST #9897 of 10000
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

We got the hardcover New Frontier book. Even though we have the individual issues and TPB, the book was so pretty we had to have it. Darwyn rocks!


Frankenbuddha - Nov 21, 2006 11:10:05 am PST #9898 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Huh, I know this doesn't get a ton of traffic, but there's just over a hundred posts left before the thread's dead.

Starts pondering new names