Given how long ago Delight became Delirium, I'm not sure I buy that consumerism was the cause.
You know, I just... I woke up, and I looked in the mirror, and I thought, hey, what's with all the sin? I need to change. I'm... I'm dirty. I'm, I'm bad with the... sex and the envy and that, that loud music us kids listen to nowadays.
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Dana - May 04, 2006 5:54:51 am PDT #9456 of 10000
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
Sean K - May 04, 2006 6:00:02 am PDT #9457 of 10000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
Given how long ago Delight became Delirium, I'm not sure I buy that consumerism was the cause.
Your memory is working better than mine. How long ago did it happen?
And even though I singled out consumerism, I do think it was really more a whole series of events that mutated us and her, and consumerism is just bound up in all that, but you may wind up deflating my theory right here.
Dana - May 04, 2006 6:12:07 am PDT #9458 of 10000
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
I don't think it's ever been specified, but I always thought it was ages and ages and ages ago.
Matt the Bruins fan - May 04, 2006 6:29:47 am PDT #9459 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I'm pretty sure she's appeared as Delirium in stories set in ancient Greece. In fact, the only story I can recall wherein she appeared as Delight was set before organic life developed on earth.
Sean K - May 04, 2006 6:41:36 am PDT #9460 of 10000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
In fact, the only story I can recall wherein she appeared as Delight was set before organic life developed on earth.
Shoots my idea all to hell. I'd then submit that we've been insane from the beginning, and we're what drove Delight 'round the bend.
Matt the Bruins fan - May 04, 2006 6:54:24 am PDT #9461 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Well, there is a lot of storytelling ground to be mined between c. 4,000,000,000 B.C. and 1200 B.C. Death also apparently mellowed out and developed a sense of joy in that interval, though I don't know that the responsibility for that could be laid at Humanity's feet any more than what happened to Delight could.
P.M. Marc - May 04, 2006 6:55:10 am PDT #9462 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I'm going to Pull From My Bottom the notion that self-awareness changes Delight to Delirium.
Of course, that's my issues talking.
Speaking of which, damn, have I mentioned lately that I'm in mad love with the Wall? Have I? Because, yes. I am. Mad love.
Also, between Checkmate and Birds of Prey (and as Rucka writes the first and the second is, well, Birds of Prey, this is NOT a spoiler), I'd say all my desires for extreme girl/girl Ho!Yay are more than satisfied.
And Tep, Teen Titans? Hummina. Bring on the Hot n' Wrong. Damn. You're so right. Only, you know, if Spike were crossed with Faith.
Dana - May 04, 2006 6:55:51 am PDT #9463 of 10000
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
We also don't know when (P-C, don't look) the first Despair died, although I also got the impression that it was ages and ages ago. But after Delight became Delirium.
Hayden - May 04, 2006 6:58:19 am PDT #9464 of 10000
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
Responding to Dana: We know she died more than 80,000 (or something like that) years ago, because her death is what led the Endless to destroy the old, disrespectful Necropolis and create the new one. I don't have my facts straight, but I remember this from the Necropolis story in World's End.
Polter-Cow - May 04, 2006 6:58:25 am PDT #9465 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Do you mean Brief Lives, or the entire series? Because it's a little bit dangerous to decide what it's all ultimately about when you've got a third of the series left.
Heh, well, Brief Lives for sure, but I'm also getting that from the series as a whole so far. I knew "ultimately" was a bad word choice, but it sounded good.