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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


Polter-Cow - May 01, 2006 10:49:40 am PDT #9385 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Good heavens, yes.

Yay!


Mr. Broom - May 01, 2006 12:56:17 pm PDT #9386 of 10000
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

"Season of Mists" is one of my favorite arcs just because of the interplay between the various realms that have a vested interested in the outcome. And, like every other arc, it has little callbacks and foreshadowings for the other arcs, and for the Big Arc that is the entire series.

So many parts of me want to comment about your comments, but I have taught myself not to spoil, so my tongue will stay bitten. Painfully bitten.


Polter-Cow - May 01, 2006 1:14:27 pm PDT #9387 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I appreciate the blood you draw for me, Broomy. I haven't yet put together what the Big Arc really is, per se, but it's becoming clear that Everything Is Important. Which is awesome.


Mr. Broom - May 01, 2006 2:55:09 pm PDT #9388 of 10000
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

The introduction to "Endless Nights" includes a bit where someone asked him to sum up the series in one sentence. Look for that after you're done and I think you'll agree it's apt.


amych - May 01, 2006 4:34:46 pm PDT #9389 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

(I think I've just fallen completely in love with Vampire Loves )


Polter-Cow - May 01, 2006 4:50:29 pm PDT #9390 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

So I finished Season of Mists, and hm. I think overall, I'm not as in love with it as I anticipated at the beginning. Various realms bitching over who gets to rule Hell is wicked cool, don't get me wrong, but I feel like there should have been more. Maybe I want more damn fighting. This is a comic, for God's sake! Where's my THWAP! POW! BIFF!

And in this story, rather than deus ex angina, we get deus ex...deus. I mean, the resolution makes a certain kind of sense, but it also feels like something out of Gilbert and Sullivan. We're teased with all these things Dream could have gotten from various factions, and in the end all he got was the relief of having gotten rid of the key. I did love, however, the angel's progression from "You can't do this! I haven't rebelled!" to "That's it! I'm rebelling!...Shit."

Oh, oh, and I must say: CHEER UP, EMO ENDLESS. "I've got this key I don't want, and it's causing me so much paaaaaain. I'm going to wear my black clothes and sit in the dark and broooooood." Of course, he balances it out every time he's like, "You're in the Dreaming, bitch! This is MY WORLD."

Also, I thought the zombie schoolchildren issue was kind of meh. It was boring and confusing. Yeah, I'm sure it will be important later, but that's no excuse for not making the setup a good read. When Death is going around cleaning up after a big mess ("When there is no more room in Hell, the dead will walk the earth!"), I want to see THAT. I want to see mass chaos everywhere. Not just someone's dead grandmother talking about anal sex. Though that was good.

I think the problem is Gaiman keeps subverting my expectations, and dammit, once in a while I want him to fulfill them.


Mr. Broom - May 01, 2006 5:04:55 pm PDT #9391 of 10000
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

Maybe I want more damn fighting. This is a comic, for God's sake! Where's my THWAP! POW! BIFF!

Barkin' up the wrong tree, chief.

Yeah, I'm sure it will be important later, but that's no excuse for not making the setup a good read. When Death is going around cleaning up after a big mess ("When there is no more room in Hell, the dead will walk the earth!"), I want to see THAT.

See, I thought it was a great read, myself. Neil doesn't go in for the epic. He goes in for the specific. The humanizing angle. Mass chaos around the world doesn't work for him; individuals and how this chaos affects them, that's what works for him.

And I loved the ending. He gives it to the only people who aren't asking for it, and who in fact don't want it. He does to Heaven what was done to him, guessing that Heaven has the power to handle this white elephant gift better than he.

Oh, oh, and I must say: CHEER UP, EMO ENDLESS. "I've got this key I don't want, and it's causing me so much paaaaaain. I'm going to wear my black clothes and sit in the dark and broooooood."
This is like saying, "Cheer up, Gothypants" to Angel. These are Nature's brooders, here. It's the best topsy-turvy distinction he's made: Death is the cheerful one who brings blessed release and Dream is the morose one who brings chaos and disquiet.

Of course, he balances it out every time he's like, "You're in the Dreaming, bitch! This is MY WORLD."

That part made me pump my fist in triumph. It's the climax he Gaiman gives us in lieu of a Big Battle for the Key to Hell.


P.M. Marc - May 01, 2006 6:30:23 pm PDT #9392 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Also, I thought the zombie schoolchildren issue was kind of meh. It was boring and confusing.

See, I found that one both sad and somehow sweet. YZombieMV.


Polter-Cow - May 01, 2006 8:55:18 pm PDT #9393 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

And I finished Game of You, which managed to be simultaneously satisfying and unsatisfying. It's well plotted, for the most part, and it doesn't have a random, unrelated middle issue like the two previous story arcs. As for the resolution, Gaiman embraces the comfortable familiarity of the Companion Who Unexpectedly Betrays You followed by the You Made It All Up, but then he adds the old Sandman twist (Note: I laughed out loud at "Is this where I find out I was abused as a child and I've been blocking it all these years?" because OMG IF I SEE THAT ONE MORE TIME). I wonder what Thessaly's deal is. Barbie is much more of an interesting character than I ever would have thought from her initial appearance.

Donna (as in belladonna) becomes Foxglove. Clever.

But I found it hard to really care about the fate of The Land because, for one, Dream didn't seem to care, and plus...it just seemed like it belonged in a different book. The art was deliberately incongruous with the rest of the book, with kiddie-style talking animals. And they weren't characters we really knew at all, so their presence in the Dreaming isn't very substantial. Okay, I was sad when Wilkinson died. Plus, the whole thing was internal, basically; it didn't seem to connect to the larger arc beyond being a slight side effect of Rose's vortex dream.

Dream is such a bitch. "You have trespassed! I am very displeased!" Oh, cool it. Just let them go. Have we met Alianora before?

From the Afterword, it's clear this was a story Gaiman really wanted to tell, and I think for some people, this could be their favorite one. It could hit all the right buttons; it's more human than the previous ones. But I'm ready to move on.


Dana - May 02, 2006 6:24:12 am PDT #9394 of 10000
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

Game of You is not my favorite, except for Wanda, who is a generally loved character. Once you're done with Sandman, you should check out the book of short stories by fifteen or so different writers set in the Sandman 'verse. Hell. What is it called?

As far as Dream goes, I think you're either going to sympathize with him, or you're going to spend the entire series wanting to smack him about the head.. He's a lot like Achilles in The Iliad. Unsurprisingly, I love them both.