Bunch of wanna blessed-bes. Nowadays every girl with a henna tattoo and a spice rack thinks she's a sister to the dark ones.

Willow ,'Bring On The Night'


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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


Michele T. - Oct 31, 2002 3:46:43 pm PST #87 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

Don't click on the link at the end of the paragraph that says "click here."


justkim - Oct 31, 2002 6:29:45 pm PST #88 of 10000
Another social casualty...

Sorry. I didn't click on the link at the end, so I didn't think to issue a warning. I hope you weren't too spoiled Michele T.


Michele T. - Oct 31, 2002 6:40:46 pm PST #89 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

I'm a spoilage-lite companion, so no blood, no foul.


Jeff Mejia - Nov 01, 2002 7:36:08 am PST #90 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

I can't believe that they couldn't find a network to pick up the animated show. IIRC, though, I think Disney was involved with the rights somewhere, so that may be the sticking point.

Is it expensive to run an animated series? (I mean, with decent animation, but not Pixar quality).

[Edit - you don't know how tempting it was to avoid clicking on that link, especially after reading "don't click on the link".]


CaBil - Nov 01, 2002 8:55:42 am PST #91 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

I think the average cost of decent animation for a half hour show in the American market is about 900k-1.5mil range.

Probably cheaper than the current season on a per episode basis of the show.

Average fee paid is the same per half hour no matter what the animated show, since the network fee is relatively fixed for new shows.

My guess no one knew where to put it in their schedule.


DavidS - Nov 01, 2002 11:23:11 am PST #92 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I can't believe that they couldn't find a network to pick up the animated show.

Fox Kids used to produce a lot, but they've cut way back and stocked up on dubbed anime. It's a shift in philosophy, and it probably cost the Buffy animated series it's most obvious home. Fox would've been producing for its own network which is more profitable too. Too bad. I wonder if the scripts that were written will be leaked to the script site eventually...


Jeff Mejia - Nov 07, 2002 1:47:06 pm PST #93 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

I picked up Buffy #50 yesterday, and there are no words to say how bad it is.

(Actually, there are quite a few words - "cliche-riddled crap" comes to mind, but falls short.)

Masochist that I am, I think I'll dig out the other issues of this introductory run and detail exactly where things went wrong. (Aside from hiring Scott Lobdell, that is). Stuff this bad just doesn't come along every day.

The back-up stories weren't mind-numbingly awful, but sure didn't make me feel that I was getting much extra to justify the increased price of the issue. I sure was disappointed that the story about Buffy's first vampire kill did not match what we saw in "Becoming, pt 1". I can fanwank it away by saying this is the Dawnverse version, but there really is no reason that it has to be different.

The Andi Watson story was cute, overly so, and far too short.


Megan E. - Nov 07, 2002 2:13:19 pm PST #94 of 10000

Is there any word on Fray???


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 07, 2002 2:21:10 pm PST #95 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Molina's banged out several issues of that Route 666 comic since the last issue of Fray... are theywaiting for him to get an opening in his work schedule to complete issues?


Jeff Mejia - Nov 07, 2002 3:21:34 pm PST #96 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

The last thing I read, back in March, Molina was almost finished with #7. Route 666 just had a guest artist for issue #5, so maybe he had time to work on Fray during the down time. From what I read about CrossGen's schedules, though, they don't have a lot of downtime for their artists. Backup artists are used intermittently because each issue takes more than 1 month to complete.

Dark Horse's website still lists Fray #7 as coming out on December 4, and #8 on December 26.