Angel: Connor, this is Spike and Illyria. Guys, this is Connor. Connor: Hi. umm...I like your outfit. Illyria: Your body warms. This one is lusting after me. Connor: Oh...no, I--I--it's just that it's the outfit. I guess I've had a thing for older women. Angel: They were supposed to fix that.

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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


DavidS - Aug 13, 2003 3:16:19 pm PDT #801 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

There are a few characters who I don't know who their superhero counterpart is.

Like who?


Anne W. - Aug 13, 2003 3:24:09 pm PDT #802 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I love how they translated everyone into the new time period.

I'm pretty sure that the nun and the scribe who were with the Inquisitor were the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver--Magneto's two kids.

The girl on the Virginia Maid kinda-sorta looks like she might be Storm.

Other spoilery things: I love the idea of Nick Fury as Walsingham and Dr. Strange as Dr. John Dee. The cameo of Foggy Nelson as the captain of Matt Murdock's ship was a nice touch. The 1602 version of Daredevil is probably my favorite of the characters so far, but Peter Parker is somewhat annoying.

One last question: The obvious answer to the identity of the Inquisitor would be Magneto, but that seems too simple. Does anyone else have any other ideas?


DavidS - Aug 13, 2003 3:25:41 pm PDT #803 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

re: Anne's One Last Question, and without having seen the comic: Dr. Doom I might guess. He being the nearest Marvel equivalent to a Lex Luthor character.


HoyaSaxa - Aug 13, 2003 3:38:02 pm PDT #804 of 10000
Diablo Robotico Up.

The Buffyverse could really get some more aggressive traction with a more complete "Expanded Universe" kind of thing a la Star Wars. In a functional sense, the Fray series was a step in that direction.

That and an Elseworlds type of thing would be interesting also, but my biases for alternate realities/crossover stories are showing.


Jon B. - Aug 13, 2003 3:45:07 pm PDT #805 of 10000
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Hmmm... Based on Anne's comments, I don't see the point in my buying this series. I would barely get any of it.


Anne W. - Aug 13, 2003 3:55:24 pm PDT #806 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Jon, the things I mentioned are more like shout outs than actual plot points. The story itself is quite entertaining.


sfmarty - Aug 13, 2003 4:31:53 pm PDT #807 of 10000
Who? moi??

I found all of the Fray comics at one store. If anyone wants me to get them, squeek fast. They are 3.00 each, plus tax and shipping.


Steph L. - Aug 13, 2003 4:52:46 pm PDT #808 of 10000
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Jon, I know very little of the MarvelVerse, and I enjoyed it.

There are a few characters who I don't know who their superhero counterpart is.

Like who?

Dr. Strange -- is he a superhero? Or just himself (the way Professor Xavier is just himself and doesn't also have an alter ego)? And who is his ladyfriend, Clea?

Umm...who's Winged Dude?

Also don't know Sister Wanda and the Inquisitor, although it sounds like they're a little unclear to all y'all. How about Virginia and her Indian bodyguard?

I got Daredevil, Peter Parker, Nick Fury, and the X-Men at the end, although the only X-Man I identifed was Cyclops. He introduced "John Grey," but the art made it look like a woman. And although I don't know the X-Men that well, I do know that Jean Grey is a woman, so maybe that's what they're going for -- that Jean Grey was disguised as a man.

Anyway, despite my not identifying ALL the characters right away, I still enjoyed it.


justkim - Aug 13, 2003 4:52:59 pm PDT #809 of 10000
Another social casualty...

The girl on the Virginia Maid is based on a real person: Virginia Dare, who was the first child born in the colonies at Roanoke. Since the colony up and vanished nobody knows what happened to her. I don't know if Gaiman will translate her to an existing character or if she will be a wholly new character. (As an on-topic aside, one of the stories in the Tales of the Slayers short story collection (volume 1) imagines Virginia Dare as a Slayer.)

I wonder about her companion.

Anne, who is Foggy Nelson ? I'm new to the Marvelverse and didn't get this reference.

I loved "The Ballad of the Fantasik".

Overall fun read. I immediately handed it to DH and said "Read this. Now."

ETA: Sister Wanda and Petros are definitely the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. I'm not sure who the Inquisitor is.


DavidS - Aug 13, 2003 4:55:18 pm PDT #810 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Teppy: Dr. Strange is a major figure in the Marvelverse, the magical hero, and Clea was his girlfriend.

justkim: Foggy is Matt Murdock, aka Daredevil's, law partner and best friend.