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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


§ ita § - Mar 22, 2005 8:05:34 am PST #7711 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm curious about Firestorm (another title I don't read), because his eponymous title is still going even though Shadow Thief killed him

It's not still going. It's a new title, starting over from #1, with a new Firestorm.

I also think that killing a character often can be done well. Gets harder, but if you're killing them for good narrative reasons, there can also be good narrative reasons to kill them a lot.


DavidS - Mar 22, 2005 8:05:35 am PST #7712 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

David is amusingly outing himself as to how far behind the comics times he is...

It's not like I don't have references and little history capsules bookmarked either. But fuckety it's convoluted. I'm just not committed to relearning my post-Crisis continuity, especially when they fuck with it so much.

Probably explains why I enjoy The Outsiders or JLE more than most superhero titles. So many new characters, I don't have to worry about the backstory.


victor infante - Mar 22, 2005 8:06:20 am PST #7713 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Barry's still dead, although there've been so many time travel and flashback stories about him that he's kept pretty much in the public eye. Still, Wally's the Flash, and everyone's pretty used to him, in ways that Kyle was never accepted as Green Lantern. (Although Hal's rather bad end probably had a lot to do with that.)

Very few characters are "dead forever" in comics. Maybe Barry, and maybe Bucky. That's about it.


sumi - Mar 22, 2005 8:06:59 am PST #7714 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Nightwing? They might kill Nightwing? Or maybe he'll kill himself? (He kind of seems headed that way.)

Umm, is there a Green Lantern: Rebirth thingy coming out tomorrow?


§ ita § - Mar 22, 2005 8:08:33 am PST #7715 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Very few characters are "dead forever" in comics

Which is why Jean Grey's (last) tombstone made me smile. They just didn't know when they'd see her next.


Steph L. - Mar 22, 2005 8:09:10 am PST #7716 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

It's not still going. It's a new title, starting over from #1, with a new Firestorm.

Hmm. Interesting.

There will be no killing of the Nightwing.


P.M. Marc - Mar 22, 2005 8:11:28 am PST #7717 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Do we know who's Red Hood yet? I haven't been reading the Batman title.

Nope. We find out this week, I think.

Probably explains why I enjoy The Outsiders or JLE more than most superhero titles. So many new characters, I don't have to worry about the backstory.

I think that's more a function of the odd treatment of continuity in most team books. I don't need much, if any, backstory to get into team books. (The current exception to this rule is JSA, which *is* exceedingly history rich.)


DavidS - Mar 22, 2005 8:13:43 am PST #7718 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

(The current exception to this rule is JSA, which *is* exceedingly history rich.)

Is that a way for them to play with pre-Crisis continuity? Because I *did* know my JSA characters (from all the reprints they used to do in the 70s).


victor infante - Mar 22, 2005 8:15:07 am PST #7719 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

The JSA title is all ABOUT the history, though, so it's cool. In the right hands, comics history is fun. Otherwise, it just makes stories tedious.


sumi - Mar 22, 2005 8:16:28 am PST #7720 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

I think that the OMAC Project and the Villains United things both look rather interesting.