If they can bring back Jason ..., then they're just minutes away from jerking Barry Allen back into this timeline.
Uhm.... [link]
My god...he's gonna do the whole speech.
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Tom Scola - Mar 22, 2005 7:40:18 am PST #7696 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
Frankenbuddha - Mar 22, 2005 7:40:52 am PST #7697 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Besides death has been thoroughly devalued by now as a narrative trope. If they can bring back Jason after 9,000 panels of the empty suit in the glass case, then they're just minutes away from jerking Barry Allen back into this timeline.
Ah, hell if they
bring back Larry the lobster Jason then I wouldn't put it past them to bring back Sue Dibny at some point.
DavidS - Mar 22, 2005 7:47:30 am PST #7698 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Uhm...
Mmmmhmmm. Okay, I'm glad to see my cyncism wasn't wasted. It is such a narrative circle jerk. And lordy, the diminishing returns.
signed,
Still Thinks It Was Cheap-Ass Shit To Bring Angel Back
Tom Scola - Mar 22, 2005 7:49:18 am PST #7699 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
OK, to be fair, the Barry Allen thing was a cheat. It was really the Counter-Flash posing as Barry.
§ ita § - Mar 22, 2005 7:51:14 am PST #7700 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
And lordy, the diminishing returns.
How do you know if you didn't read it?
Still Thinks It Was Cheap-Ass Shit To Bring Angel Back
Same with Buffy?
DavidS - Mar 22, 2005 7:51:35 am PST #7701 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Is the Counter-Flash different from Dr. Zoom?
Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 22, 2005 7:52:02 am PST #7702 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
David, it wasn't really Barry Allen that they brought back in that story. Still dead .
P.M. Marc - Mar 22, 2005 7:52:30 am PST #7703 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
David is amusingly outing himself as to how far behind the comics times he is...
I loved that Barry-not-Barry storyline, though. Waid-era Flash was the shit.
P.M. Marc - Mar 22, 2005 7:53:28 am PST #7704 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
IIRC, Barry's the one character with a 'dead for good' stamp per DC editorial.
DavidS - Mar 22, 2005 7:54:58 am PST #7705 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
How do you know if you didn't read it?
As a matter of storytelling principle, I think it's a bad idea. It's the crackpipe of cheap narrative. It jerks people around. It's like putting a child in jeopardy. And it really diminished my love for Farscape. I didn't feel anything when Zhaan died - and she was a character I really liked. But they'd just killed off and resurrected Aeryn within the previous episodes.
Same with Buffy?
A bit less. For better or worse, Joss made her pay for it with an entire season of angst. So while death wasn't as consequential as it is in real-life - it wasn't inconsequential either. Angel got pooped out of Hell and had a couple of episodes of nightsweats and that's it. They never even really alluded to his 200 years in hell that much.