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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


Steph L. - Aug 07, 2003 4:12:53 am PDT #718 of 10000
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Oh my! And the letters column was absolutely hilarious.

Well, Joss posted last night, so he'll likely never see this comment, but his last paragraph in the letters section -- "I write stories. Mostly about girls....and the Getting of Power," make me goosebumpy and teary, what with Chosen and all.

And I was totally bereft about Urkonn killing Loo. Because I *loved* Urkonn from the very start. He was my MAN, in a big motherfucking way. But, dude -- betrayal! Made me sad.

And also Harth kissing Mel -- freaked me out in 2 ways: (1) reminded me so very much of Faith kissing Buffy in "Enemies," because Harth and Mel are (roughly) a lot like Faith and Buffy; and (2) YIKES! No likey the bro-sis kissing!

I really dig Mel. And I can't wait to see how Joss un-josses himself.

[edted becauce I keep using the italics shortcut when I want whitefont....duh....]


sumi - Aug 07, 2003 4:33:05 am PDT #719 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

I have to say that I didn't notice the reversed paragraphs. . .and that UrKonn turning out to be Loo's killer completely surprised me -- maybe because we know that vampires sometimes do kill just to send a message.

And that it didn't bother me that he wasn't 100% good because I also never understood why he was sent to train Mel.
Also -- Joss really does that fucked up family thing well, doesn't he?


Holli - Aug 07, 2003 5:12:50 am PDT #720 of 10000
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

My reaction to Harth kissing Mel was along the lines of "okay, so the Simon/River subtext wasn't enough? You had to make it text with these two?"

That said... such a kickass ending. Wow.


Jeff Mejia - Aug 07, 2003 5:21:31 am PDT #721 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

I can't believe Joss actually posted here! Is that high praise for Karl, or what? That last page spread was pretty well done, that's for sure.

About (spoiler) Urkonn's betrayal. I've been running this through my brain, and it really feels like his actions are almost like a hyper-Watcher, in that he was willing to do anything to get the job done. Kind of like Giles killing Ben, but taken to the nth degree.

I went back to re-read the series last night, but only got partway through #1 before I finally had to sleep. It was interesting to note that Karl's highly detailed backgrounds were evident right from the beginning.

(For any Route 666 fans, I thought that a panel of Mel's sister in this last issue really resembled Cassie Starkweather, the heroine of 666.)

This story really does reflect and resonate with the themes developed in Buffy, doesn't it?


tina f. - Aug 07, 2003 6:00:54 am PDT #722 of 10000

WHY did I mail order my copies of Fray? Why? It still hasn't gotten here yet. Might have to break down and just go buy a copy if it isn't here by 2 or so.....and - eeep! Joss!


DavidS - Aug 07, 2003 8:12:14 am PDT #723 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I saw Karl at Comicon and gave him one of the Scythes that props had made for Buffy. His face was a thing to see.

Awww, nice gesture - especially after all the ding dang tardiness. But you've gotta give props (so to speak) to people who realize your vision. it's not a scythe - it's an axe!


Volans - Aug 07, 2003 12:34:50 pm PDT #724 of 10000
move out and draw fire

OK, okay...real life is just getting on my nerves. I've been carrying Fray around for a couple days, and haven't yet had a chance to read it. Likewise the tpb of The Watchmen.

Grr.

Argh.


Jeff Mejia - Aug 07, 2003 6:51:11 pm PDT #725 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

Raquel, leave a bit of time for Watchmen. As with all Alan Moore works, it's pretty dense (but unbelievably good).


P.M. Marc - Aug 07, 2003 6:56:41 pm PDT #726 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

And plan to re-read it every year or two.


HoyaSaxa - Aug 07, 2003 7:05:24 pm PDT #727 of 10000
Diablo Robotico Up.

I've made this point in another thread, but my all-time favorite comic is The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller. This is the Batman franchise at its artistic and creative zenith,IMHO. I love the gritty edge, the Kubrickian, sardonic Cold War allusions, the weapons (the iteration of the Batmobile here is simply awesome, as is reading about Superman redirecting a freakin' ICBM -- and realizing why he sends it where he does), vigilante politics, the slurred, distorted art work and color, the collection of the baddest of Batman's rivals -- and of course, the fight between Batman and Superman.

It's a triumph.

Plus, if you read it retroactively to seeing Buffy episodes, you catch similarities to Buffy's occasional stretches of judge-as-jury thinking. Batman's "Tonight, I am the Law..." speech from that Dark Knight Returns resonates in Buffy's speech in "Selfless" this past season.