No. You're missing the point. The design of the thing is functional. The plan is not to shoot you. The plan is to get the girl. If there's no girl, then the plan, well, is like the room.

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§ ita § - Dec 14, 2004 1:15:01 pm PST #6987 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I like Fables, quite a lot, but I'm not prepared to worship at his altar, since there were issues that fell resoundingly flat to me. More often than not, I do enjoy it, and will be pimping it to a co-worker in about ten minutes.


Atropa - Dec 14, 2004 1:15:35 pm PST #6988 of 10000
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

P-C, have you read any of the Sandman collections? I'm curious to know what you think of it vs. Fables in terms of writing and world-building.


Polter-Cow - Dec 14, 2004 1:18:13 pm PST #6989 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Jilli, I haven't set aside the time to do Sandman yet. I want to do it when I can read all ten volumes in succession.


Atropa - Dec 14, 2004 1:20:41 pm PST #6990 of 10000
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Jilli, I haven't set aside the time to do Sandman yet. I want to do it when I can read all ten volumes in succession.

Okay. Because it felt to me that Willingham was trying to fill the gap left by Sandman, and not *quite* carrying it off. I still found Fables to be an entertaining read, but an oddly flat-seeming one. And considering that you and my pseudo-big-brother have raved and raved about it, I was even more disappointed by my reaction.


Hayden - Dec 14, 2004 1:21:34 pm PST #6991 of 10000
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I haven't liked any of the Fables, either. Great idea, but as a writer, Willingham is a good artist. Actually, I thought the same of his Sandman apocrypha. I think the man just can't write imaginative-yet-realistic dialogue to save his life, and his stories can generally be predicted from the first panel. Since most of the comics I've read are by Gaiman, Alan Moore, Grant Morrison, or Bendis, it may be that I have impossibly high standards.


Atropa - Dec 14, 2004 1:22:34 pm PST #6992 of 10000
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Actually, I thought the same of his Sandman apocrypha

Huh? What did he write that was Sandman -related?


Hayden - Dec 14, 2004 1:24:18 pm PST #6993 of 10000
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

It was called something like "Everything that you always wanted to know about The Dreaming but were afraid to ask."


Atropa - Dec 14, 2004 1:25:23 pm PST #6994 of 10000
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

It was called something like "Everything that you always wanted to know about The Dreaming but were afraid to ask."

Hmmm. I don't remember that one. Off to Google I go ...


Hayden - Dec 14, 2004 1:26:22 pm PST #6995 of 10000
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I found a review on Pop Matters: [link]


Atropa - Dec 14, 2004 1:31:36 pm PST #6996 of 10000
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

I found a review on Pop Matters

Okay. I didn't read that collection, but I did read his Merv Pumpkinhead book. I suspect Willingham's writing just doesn't quite click for me.