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Polter-Cow - Nov 28, 2004 12:08:50 pm PST #6660 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Okay, I'm three issues into Fugitive, Volume 2, and may I just say, regarding Murderer and Fugitive:

This. Fucking. Rocks.

Every issue is good and accomplishes something important. I understand the Batgirl love (is Kelley Puckett male or female? because he/she writes a good Batgirl) and I still like Steph. I am loving all the characters (where can I read more about Sasha?), except for Bruce, who needs a good punch to the face. But damn. Has this aspect of his persona (practically treating it like a split personality ) been addressed before? As someone who's obsessed with identity issues, I'm really enjoying it. And God, I love how the whole Batfam's working together as a team to solve the mystery, and how they're asking the same questions I am at times, and how you feel the very same doubt they do as to Bruce's innocence.

I have many little questions to ask, but I'll save them for later. I have a feeling I'm going to have to go out and buy Volume 3 (maybe even AT FULL PRICE!...okay, I might use a Borders coupon) as soon as I can, because this story is just too damn good.


amych - Nov 28, 2004 12:10:43 pm PST #6661 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Bruce very often does need a good punch to the face, which in a way is just what I love about him t /issues


§ ita § - Nov 28, 2004 12:17:28 pm PST #6662 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Gah. I need to go out and buy Fugitive, I suspect. But I like Batman so much more when he's not the main focus of the story (I adore him in Batgirl, for instance, since he's viewed through her prism).

But I'm really intrigued by this particular plot.


Steph L. - Nov 28, 2004 12:20:55 pm PST #6663 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I still like Steph.

Thank you!

....wait. You mean vigilante!Steph.

Dang.

I adore him in Batgirl, for instance, since he's viewed through her prism

I think she hero-worships Batman more than Dick does, and that's really saying something.


Polter-Cow - Nov 28, 2004 12:25:29 pm PST #6664 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

....wait. You mean vigilante!Steph.

I like you both!

I think she hero-worships Batman more than Dick does, and that's really saying something.

I love how she recognizes Bruce as Batman from his eyes. It was such a gorgeous moment.


§ ita § - Nov 28, 2004 12:26:02 pm PST #6665 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think she hero-worships Batman more than Dick does, and that's really saying something.

He's pretty damned close to her totality, isn't he? She traded out her father for a kindler, gentler taskmaster. And when Bats is a kinder version of anyone, you know you're handling some damaged goods. I mean, she likes Barbara well enough, but she doesn't really get mad at Batman the way she can get mad with other people.

Love her!

I've finally ordered all the Batgirl TPBs. I've read the torrents, and I've been collecting myself since the mid 40s, but I need to own as much as possible. Torrented comics are to me what Napster is to audiophiles -- I also need to get Y and Ex in hardcopy.


Steph L. - Nov 28, 2004 12:29:37 pm PST #6666 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

He's pretty damned close to her totality, isn't he?

I've re-read the current issue of Batgirl about 50 times, and I have something in my mind that's trying to become cogent, about how Cass and Tim are, put together, the ideal aspects of Batman (Cass, for her fighting skillz and Tim for his freaky obsessive detective skillz).


Polter-Cow - Nov 28, 2004 12:35:21 pm PST #6667 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

how Cass and Tim are, put together, the ideal aspects of Batman (Cass, for her fighting skillz and Tim for his freaky obsessive detective skillz).

Does that make Dick his moral center?


amych - Nov 28, 2004 12:38:26 pm PST #6668 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Does that make Dick his moral center?

Nah. Moral center is Leslie. And Jim Gordon. Dick is the thing what keeps him tied to the world of the humans even when he really doesn't want to be.

And it's just possible I've thought about this way too freakin' much.


§ ita § - Nov 28, 2004 12:41:55 pm PST #6669 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Does that make Dick his moral center?

Maybe his chewy nougat centre.

I picked up a copy of Batman & Superman recently -- the one where Supergirl "dies." Bats is saying he thought Superman's response to her being threatened is how he'd have responded to hearing that Jason wasn't dead, and that he had to protect him, but then changed his mind and said it was more like him and Dick and the letting go.

Then Superman apologised for the Jason barb, and Batman said it was okay.

How incredibly frustrating to not have had the in-title backstory to muddle through those analogies, and I'd love to know what the barb was.