All the whitefontedness is driving me nuts!
It's like, in the middle of all this, I'm paranoid that you'll think I don't like poetry.
Buffy ,'Empty Places'
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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.
sumi - Nov 10, 2004 10:36:32 am PST #6329 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!
P.M. Marc - Nov 10, 2004 10:41:02 am PST #6330 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Bil:
1 We saw her die in a long deathbed scene with Batman at her side in Leslie's clinic. She's dead.
2 I will make my eyes stop rolling for JUST long enough to say that she stole some master plans of Batman's for starting a gang war and gaining control of the city that depended on Matches Malone. She, of course, didn't know who Matches Malone really was. Her purpose in stealing the plans was to somehow prove to Batman that she COULD fight crime, damn it. The worst part of War Games was just how many freakin' IQ points the damn characters lost over the run of it. The whole thing was supposed to take place over a couple of days, but was drawn out into three acts, which didn't really work at all. Everyone was stupid. REALLY stupid. It was annoying.
amych - Nov 10, 2004 10:44:48 am PST #6331 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
To add on to Plei's:
1. and good riddance.
2. Characters dumb, plotting clunky and random and disconnected. This happens, and this other thing happens, and look something shiny over there, and yeah, whatev.
CaBil - Nov 10, 2004 10:48:55 am PST #6332 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.
(Bil liked the idea of Steph as new Robin)
(Dumb stompy error. Apologies.)
CaBil - Nov 10, 2004 10:49:50 am PST #6333 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.
Also, I wonder how Spoiler's dad, who appears to making waves behind the scenes in Flash will deal with this.
P.M. Marc - Nov 10, 2004 10:50:57 am PST #6334 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Well, perhaps with a writer who had any respect for the characters and/or continuity, it might have worked out.
BW, however, has neither.
amych - Nov 10, 2004 10:51:09 am PST #6335 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
Bil, I hit edit on your post instead of doing a reply. My mega-bad.
CaBil - Nov 10, 2004 10:56:09 am PST #6336 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.
Plei, I don't blame BW too much. From what I understand, the direction of WarGames was pretty much laid down from above the writer's head, from Bat editorial and higher. They were dealt with a bad hand and had to make it work. They didn't
§ ita § - Nov 10, 2004 11:01:01 am PST #6337 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
My store has no IC. Pisser.
I am caught up on last week though.
I choked up a little when Wolverine said "Well, then I have two words for you..." I'm a sap like that. However, that's one hell of an arm, there, Pete.
It's a dumbly picked team. Fighters -- they have two excellent ones. Stealth -- two (well, three if you accept something shown in Uncanny). Psychic -- one. Distance powers -- two. Superstrength? NSM. Flight? NONE.
Dude. Lame.
P.M. Marc - Nov 10, 2004 11:01:34 am PST #6338 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Bil, my opinion of Willingham's work in the 'verse was formed long before War Games, within the first issue or two of his run on Robin.
You can take a character, in this case, Tim Drake, in a radical new direction, but if there's seemingly NO basis in previous characterization for the actions and reactions during that direction, you'll lose me as a reader.
What made the run of Nightwing up to 93 such a read for me was just how deep-rooted in the character's history and previous behavior the whole thing was. You could see where it was all coming from. Willingham's Tim? NSM.