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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


sumi - Aug 26, 2004 4:13:39 am PDT #5605 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Do you think that it is important for the plot for it to appear that Darla is dead? Thus keeping any remaining sharpshooters from trying again? (Although, having her taken away in an ambulance would suggest that she's not dead.) I agree that it was a weird leap for anyone in the crowd outside to make.


§ ita § - Aug 26, 2004 4:17:44 am PDT #5606 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Since 2001, P-C. To underscore the impact of the look on Kitty's face, I think she got an entire issue of mourning -- he was her first BF, and I don't remember her having more than the one (Pete Wisdom, who may not even have existed/counted with the selective reboot) since him. I think, apart from the woman Colossus fell in love with that ended him and Kitty, he hasn't been with anyone either. But I did miss some bits. And I'm hopelessly biased.


Polter-Cow - Aug 26, 2004 4:22:23 am PDT #5607 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

sumi, I thought you were talking about Buffy at first, and it confused me. Heh. But that might be plausible, and also implausible, as you point out. That scene is just so problematic, huh?

ita, Thanks. So not ridiculously long (as far as comics go...I wasn't sure if it was a recent thing, or Joss resurrected him from the eighties or something). But I'll have to go back and look at Kitty's face now. And now I'm anxious to see Wolvy's reaction. I understand they were good buds, what with the fastball special or whatever.

And aw. Your bias is cute.


Steph L. - Aug 26, 2004 4:57:03 am PDT #5608 of 10000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

90% of the time I find the questions I have about "who is that?" are resolved within an issue or two if I pay attention.

90% of the time I find if I come here and ask I get a good answer that means I can get more value out of the comic in a much shorter time period.

I wouldn't have gotten nearly as much out of AXM yesterday if I had to wait another month for the next issue to come out, hoping that there'll be backstory that will answer my questions.


sumi - Aug 26, 2004 5:04:11 am PDT #5609 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Is this the alternate cover to Astounishing #4?


Steph L. - Aug 26, 2004 5:06:31 am PDT #5610 of 10000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Yup. (Spoilery, BTW, for the issue.)


§ ita § - Aug 26, 2004 5:08:12 am PDT #5611 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That strikes me as a cover you might like after you've read it, but NSM before. I admit I was all "Hey, Colossus, cool." "Wait, no, COLOSSUS?" "Kitty?" "Oh."


amych - Aug 26, 2004 5:11:30 am PDT #5612 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Getting back to the Batverse (because really, Marvel? Ehh. I'm only in it for Joss) I'm getting incredibly irritated at the way they're characterizing Steph. (Spoiler Steph. Not Teppy Steph.) The big reveal in this weeks Catwoman on top of the circs that led to her getting fired as Robin -- it seems like her whole character/MO lately is "I want to prove myself to Batman so I'm going to fuck things up tremendously". Am I nuts, or is this 1) the same plot as last month, just with more dead bodies; 2) a rehash of Tim's "I'm going to make Batman know he needs me" thang, only rewritten as pathetic and needy and lame; 3) kinda condescending; AND 4) just plain fucking irritating all around.

Has she always been written this way? I'll admit I only started paying attention to the character with the Robin run.


Tom Scola - Aug 26, 2004 5:18:13 am PDT #5613 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

In Bruce Wayne: Fugitive, Steph kept being annoying, and Batgirl kept knocking her out. That was fun.


§ ita § - Aug 26, 2004 5:18:21 am PDT #5614 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If it's a shift in characterisation, amych, I think it started before I got on board. She's seemed awfully approval-seeking in the few months I've been reading her. But I do remember Plei complaining about the bad writing on the Robin title, so I don't know how purposeful that was.