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Polter-Cow - Aug 05, 2004 3:16:56 pm PDT #5288 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Aw yeah. I am Gambit.

The one guy who EVERYONE wanted to see in the movies! Gambit just kicks ass. If he can't obliterate someone by hucking kinetically charged cards at them, he can beat them to death with his quarterstaff. AND he's a pimp. So what are you doing on this site, anyway? Shouldn't you be out stomping people's shit in right now?


sumi - Aug 05, 2004 3:23:36 pm PDT #5289 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

That Green Lantern movie was very funny.


victor infante - Aug 05, 2004 3:26:23 pm PDT #5290 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

So that's ten. But just ten!

Well, except TT, as Steph mentioned. And also JLA, wherein he's a MAJOR presence. And, of course, "Superman/Batman."


P.M. Marc - Aug 05, 2004 3:29:21 pm PDT #5291 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Well, except TT, as Steph mentioned. And also JLA, wherein he's a MAJOR presence. And, of course, "Superman/Batman."

Yeah, but those (and Outsiders) aren't strictly Batverse titles, they're larger DCverse titles where he plays a role (and/or Batmans Adventures Outside of His General Area).

Which, as one of the Big Three, he's bound to do. Play a role, that is. Supes does to, and Wonder Woman to some extent.

(Is Wonder Woman the one with the least influence?)


victor infante - Aug 05, 2004 3:32:46 pm PDT #5292 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Yeah, but those (and Outsiders) aren't strictly Batverse titles, they're larger DCverse titles where he plays a role (and/or Batmans Adventures Outside of His General Area).

Outsiders! Knew I was forgetting one. And yeah, that's a fair point, but really, every now and again you need to step back and look at how directly he influences such a large portion of the DCU. It's kind of staggering.

Is Wonder Woman the one with the least influence?

Hmmm. Her own title. JLA and Titans (through Cassie.) Hippolyta was in JSA, but that was a long time ago and, besides, she's dead.

Yeah, I'd say so.


P.M. Marc - Aug 05, 2004 3:40:20 pm PDT #5293 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Hell, I think Ollie's got more influence than her, or as much.

His title, BoP, Occasional Group Titles, Outsiders, and many previous incarnations of T* Titans.

Oh, and YJ, even if Cissie's momma was lying.


Theodosia - Aug 05, 2004 7:17:17 pm PDT #5294 of 10000
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I'm a Cyclops. Of course, I took the test in the person of Jessica Pierce, from Kid Dynamo but she can answer questions about powers and stuff better than I can.


sumi - Aug 05, 2004 7:24:14 pm PDT #5295 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Well, Ollie has an entire family . . . surely that counts for something?

How about the Flash and Green Lantern families -- shouldn't that indicate more influence? Or just complicated histories?


victor infante - Aug 05, 2004 9:00:47 pm PDT #5296 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

How about the Flash and Green Lantern families -- shouldn't that indicate more influence? Or just complicated histories?

Well, size and influence aren't the same thing. I mean, most of the current superteams have representatives of some or all of the major "super" families on them. It's kind of fun to look at it like dynasties:

JSA: Green Lantern (Alan Scott), Flash (Jay Garrick), Wonder Woman (Hippolyta, deceased) other golden age and legacy heroes.

JLA: (Current): Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman (Diana), Flash, Green Lantern (John Stewart) and other silver age heroes.

Outsiders: Nightwing (Batman), Arsenal (Green Arrow), Jade (Green Lantern) along with other legacy heroes.

Teen Titans: Robin (Batman), Superboy (Superman), Wonder Girl (Wonder Woman), Kid Flash (Flash).

So really, the Flash family's really the only one that runs straight through--From Jay Garrick to Bart Allen. The Bat family comes pretty close--although not reaching as far back, while the Green Lanterns don't have anyone in the youngest generation.

Wonder Woman's clan is a little sparse, what with her and Cassie really being the only ones active at the moment. The Superman family's numerous, but really, aside from Supes himself and Superboy, the rest are keeping to themselves these days.

Ollie Queen and Conner Hawke pretty much work as a unit these days, away from other super types, and I'd hesitate before saying Black Canary's under Ollie's "influence."

But really, the Flashes are probably the tightest-knit group as a whole, and all cling pretty tightly to their legacy (particularly to Jay Garrick and Barry Allen.)

The Bats, on the other hand, are the most co-ordinated, and their leader, Batman, is the most agendad. I doubt Robin or Nightwing are actively "keeping tabs" on their teams or any such, but I'm sure Bats is happy that people he trained play influential roles on each team--and I'd bet that, if he could, he'd get an "operative" on the JSA.

Of course, in a sidenote, I'd like to add that Batman was taught some of his fighting skills by none other than the JSA's Wildcat, so, really, Bats is following in his legacy.


Hayden - Aug 06, 2004 5:27:59 am PDT #5297 of 10000
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I'm Storm.

So, I picked up Powers: Supergroup yesterday. Holy fucking shit, did that go from "very good" to "absolutely essential" fast. I especially like that this one assumes you're reading it closely enough not to need every little plot point spelled out for you. Also, the pacing was just superb; I spent most of the climactic fight scene as keyed up as I would with a particularly engrossing movie, and then found the rug pulled out from under me again with the follow-up. Wow.