It is different creators, and therefore a different continuity.
Stop that right now! I can hear the smacking!
Giles ,'Never Leave Me'
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Michele T. - Aug 02, 2004 7:47:18 pm PDT #5171 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi
Hayden - Aug 03, 2004 6:35:40 am PDT #5172 of 10000
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
Wasn't The Question the proto-fascist guy that Rorschach was based on?
Frankenbuddha - Aug 03, 2004 6:40:52 am PDT #5173 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Wasn't The Question the proto-fascist guy that Rorschach was based on?
That's what the original Steve Ditko Question was like. The DC version (it was penned by Denny O'Neil, I think - I have a big run of those but it's been years since I read any) toned down the Ayn Randian philosophy quite a bit.
Tom Scola - Aug 03, 2004 6:42:56 am PDT #5174 of 10000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
Rorschach, was based on The Question, and The Question was created by Ditko, who inserted his Ayn Rand/Objectivist ideology into the character.
While I certainly don't agree with those beliefs, I don't necessarily believe that "facist" is a particularly accurate label either.
Frankenbuddha - Aug 03, 2004 6:46:51 am PDT #5175 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
While I certainly don't agree with those beliefs, I don't necessarily believe that "facist" is a particularly accurate label either.
Well, but I think it was accurate to how the Ditko character was rather blase about taking out bad guys a la very early Batman.
Hayden - Aug 03, 2004 6:46:51 am PDT #5176 of 10000
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
Thanks! I've never read any of the Question comics, but I've read references to the guy in several essays about The Watchmen (and the Flex Montello mini-series, which features a Question-like guy). I didn't realize that there was a post-Randian Question.
amych - Aug 03, 2004 6:52:06 am PDT #5177 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
but I think it was accurate to how the Ditko character was rather blase about taking out bad guys a la very early Batman
!= fascist
Frankenbuddha - Aug 03, 2004 7:01:59 am PDT #5178 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
!= fascist
I'd say the little-f definition of "fascism" from the Miriam-Webster would fit:
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
Polter-Cow - Aug 03, 2004 7:03:46 am PDT #5179 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
How does that fit? Batman isn't trying to rule Gotham. He's just keeping it safe.
Hayden - Aug 03, 2004 7:11:48 am PDT #5180 of 10000
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
I think Objectivism certainly lends itself to the "fascist" label. Hell, it practically whores itself, what with the idea of an authoritarian natural aristocracy whose individual contributions to themselves are more meaningful (in Rand's view) than any altruistic actions (naturally, the actions of lesser people) on behalf of the general public. That was the essence of Mussolini's fascism, wasn't it? Industry leaders acting in their own self-interest are more valuable to the state than any centralized bureaucracy. Since I haven't read The Question, I don't know if the label fits there, but I know the early Batman comics, like the Death Wish or Dirty Harry movies, were about lone vigilantes acting out their personal vendettas at the expense of bystanders & the rights of petty criminals, usually because the bureaucracy of state-supported police couldn't or wouldn't act effectively.