Does anyone know, when Maddy killed her almost-real self, which reality alterna!Maddy (as opposed to psionicmanifestation!Maddy) came from?

Jean comes back to life

Scott leaves Maddy and Nate for Jean

Actually having read those recently, Scott and Maddy's marriage is going through difficulties, mostly due to Scott still wanting to be an X-Man and Maddy wanting him to live a normal life with his family. Scott learns Jean's alive and travels to see her. While there, the original X-Men try to persuade him to work with them in X-Factor. (They believe the X-Men have betrayed Xavier's dream by allying themselves with Magneto.) Scott waffles. He wants to be with his friends (and Jean) making a difference again, but he also has a family to look after. He works some cases with X-Factor. When he tries to call home, the line has been disconnected. When he tries to locate Maddy, all traces of her existance seem to have vanished. (The Marauders attacked, attempting to kill Maddy and kidnap Nathan. They are successful in the latter. Mr. Sinister meanwhile works to remove all records of Madelyne Pryor.)

Maddy comes to the X-Men to get him back

I think it's more like the inadvertantly run into her. While she's hospitalized from the original Marauder attack, maybe?

In any case, there's no contact between X-Factor and the X-Men. Each team thinks the other has betrayed Xavier. Scott is still unable to locate Nathan and Maddy. Then one night the X-Men, along with Maddy, "die" on national TV.

Then we get the really lame Goblin Queen storyline. Yay.

Not sure where in all this Scott and Jean get back together as I've only read X-Factor issues that were referenced directly in the Uncanny X-Men comics so far.

Didn't realize Cable was Nathan Summers. He's an even dumber character to me, now.

And the last he saw of his kids they were jumping out of a plane with only one parachute between them.

Doesn't his father lead the Starjammers (?) They've seen a lot of each other.

They've seen a lot of each other.

They have now. But Corsair was absent for childhood, adolescence, and the start of Scott's superheroing.

Abso-freakin-lutely true. I was just trying to say it wasn't the last he'd seen of his kids.

Do you suppose the odds of having a superhero lifestyle are proportionately larger if your parents are kidnapped by aliens?

Do you suppose the odds of having a superhero lifestyle are proportionately larger if your parents are kidnapped by aliens?

That, and if your home planet blows up.

I just ended a conversation with a huge geek co-worker who's never read comics. "But they don't go into that sort of depth in the comics, surely?" he asked after I gave him my take on the Bat-psychosis, and how it helps explain Robin.

Der.

Now I have a compulsion to start buying trades for the express purpose of converting his sceptical ass.

"But they don't go into that sort of depth in the comics, surely?"

Oh, ita. If you were all healed, I'm sure you would have kicked his ass good.

after I gave him my take on the Bat-psychosis, and how it helps explain Robin.

So, share it with the rest of us, or Nilly where you did so previously (because I wanna know, damn it).

"But they don't go into that sort of depth in the comics, surely?"

(Looks at Transference issues. Laughs and laughs and laughs.)

I am not nice. In addition to the Outsiders issues Pete requested, I threw in the Arsenal mini and a couple more trades (Evolution and Officer Down). Had I had more time, I'd have probably snuck some Young Justice in there as well.

Of course, Jilli is also evil. She passed over the Black Kiss series.

Heh.

Searching to see if Transference was ever collected as a trade got me this link on Batman and Post-Modernism.

because I wanna know, damn it

Hee. It sounds perfectly plausible when aimed at someone who wonders why Batman keeps fighting crime after he finds the person that killed his parents? Here? A very harsh light indeed.

His POV was that it was odd that Bruce would force another kid into a life of crime fighting. I saw it more that Batman was sharing the psychopathy that drove him to do what he does, providing an external discipline to rescue a kid who was something, but not all like him.

So, in a way, he's rescuing Dick from having to go through the same hell he had. Except Dick wasn't going to do that -- he'd probably have gone through a hell of his own -- he had lost his parents to foul play, after all. But I don't think he was going to be bugfuck nuts like Bats.

So, in the name of "saving," Bruce imposes the fruit of his own insanity onto the kid.

Who handles it with quite a bit of aplomb, considering the dual trauma of the loss and the entry into caped crusading.

Later the craziness blooms.