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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


DavidS - Jun 28, 2004 4:39:49 pm PDT #4263 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Why is Jean Grey more dead than usual this time?

She's fucking Kenny ain't she? Or Darla.


§ ita § - Jun 28, 2004 4:42:23 pm PDT #4264 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Isn't Emma's comment about having the best body money can buy in Astounishing #1 a reference to her being shattered into bits whilst in diamond form?

Did it take money to put her back together? I thought it was a reference to plastic surgery.

Why is Jean Grey more dead than usual this time?

She isn't, textually. I think one of her mourners said something to the effect of "Well, they don't call her Phoenix for nothing."


amych - Jun 28, 2004 4:42:43 pm PDT #4265 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Now that I've downloaded the whole run, and understand *all* the references, I like it a lot better.

Makes sense -- I adored it on first reading, but that was from the start, and since my recent bout of DC-mania began. My first reaction was "oh my god, this is the greatest continuitygasm ever!" -- getting more into the characters than I'd ever been before kind of snuck up on me in the course of the run.

I think it's a superbly done reboot, but it's definitely not one to pick up in the middle or try to read casually.


Volans - Jun 28, 2004 4:46:45 pm PDT #4266 of 10000
move out and draw fire

think one of her mourners said something to the effect of "Well, they don't call her Phoenix for nothing."

But she's dead enough to Logan and Scott, who you'd think would be the two people to be half waiting for her to show back up.

"OMG! You killed Phoenix! You bast--- Oh, wait, she's okay. Never mind."


§ ita § - Jun 28, 2004 4:49:40 pm PDT #4267 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But she's dead enough to Logan and Scott, who you'd think would be the two people to be half waiting for her to show back up.

I think she's dead dead, just not permanently dead. Not like the Buffyverse, where they'd go get her, or anything. She'll come back in her own time.


Holli - Jun 28, 2004 4:52:28 pm PDT #4268 of 10000
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

At this point, do people even make a big deal about Jean dying anymore? I can imagine the first couple of times they'd be pretty broken up about it, but by now I'd just send a card. Flowers, maybe, if it was a violent death this time.


Steph L. - Jun 28, 2004 4:53:19 pm PDT #4269 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

(Hey Holli -- did you post your bit o' fic in LJ yet?)


§ ita § - Jun 28, 2004 4:54:08 pm PDT #4270 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

(yup)

Part of the reason she died was so Scott and Emma could get together. She wasn't even bargaining on too long a mourning period.


Volans - Jun 28, 2004 5:03:04 pm PDT #4271 of 10000
move out and draw fire

Part of the reason she died was so Scott and Emma could get together.

Couldn't she and Scott just have agreed to have an open marriage? Dying so that your husband can snowball is well off the generosity meter.


§ ita § - Jun 28, 2004 5:11:26 pm PDT #4272 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Scott would never have an open marriage. It wouldn't be proper. Psychically cheating on your wife? Well, maybe. Leaving your wife and kid? Why not?

Polyamory would be declassé, though.