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Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 26, 2004 5:20:27 pm PDT #4215 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

It's not, strictly speaking, a reboot if I understand properly. Joss will probably reference stories he liked and use his favorite characterizations, but this title is supposed to be regular continuity with one particular X-team in the aftermath of the climactic events in the main X title (Magneto taking over Manhattan and killing Jean Grey, Professor X taking a sabbatical).


§ ita § - Jun 26, 2004 5:22:46 pm PDT #4216 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Kitty seems, however, mysteriously young. Not like a woman that's boffed Pete Wisdom and mourned Magneto's passing.

Then again, they're all terribly terribly old.


DavidS - Jun 26, 2004 5:24:18 pm PDT #4217 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Thanks Matt - I'm not up to date on current X-Men continuity at all.

Kitty seems, however, mysteriously young.

This is the weird thing. Joss is definitely hitting on all the 80s X-men stuff I used to know.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 26, 2004 5:26:46 pm PDT #4218 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Eh, Franklin Richards is visually younger than he was in the late 1960s. It's comic book time, which bears about as much resemblance to the real-world variety as Illyria's experiences in "Time Bomb". I don't even bother handwaving it anymore.


DXMachina - Jun 26, 2004 5:35:26 pm PDT #4219 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Eh, Franklin Richards is visually younger than he was in the late 1960s.

I don't think Franklin Richards was even born until the early 70's.


Kiba Rika - Jun 26, 2004 5:44:45 pm PDT #4220 of 10000
I may have to seize the cat.

This is the weird thing. Joss is definitely hitting on all the 80s X-men stuff I used to know.

Yes. If you consider it, the only person who has any right to be so young is Wolvie. Scott? Still looking the same age he did in the 70s.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 26, 2004 5:55:46 pm PDT #4221 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I don't think Franklin Richards was even born until the early 70's.

I may be conflating stories (I wasn't a regular reader until around issue #175), but I seem to recall Franklin being present in their 1969 moon landing story, and not as an infant.

At any rate, he actually looked and sounded several years younger during Byrne's run than he did in the late 70s.

Professor X at least got transplanted into a younger clone body in the wake of the Brood saga, and I think Storm's regression to childhood at one point would allow for a bit of flex on the age issue.


Mr. Broom - Jun 26, 2004 6:06:45 pm PDT #4222 of 10000
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

They've allowed the X-people to get a little older--the original five were teens in 1963 and now they're, say, mid-twenties, maybe mid-to-late. It's flexible in the same way that, for example, Cordelia's age is flexible on "Angel"--she's technically supposed to be 18-19 in season 1, but since she was out of high school and they didn't have to reference that directly, they could more or less ignore it and let her play the role at something closer to Charisma Carpenter's real age.

Joss is trying to get away from what's happened in quite a few Marvel titles--the younger characters are allowed to age bit by bit over the decades until they get so much older than their original concepts that the original identification gets lost. That's what happened to Kitty. They turned her into a capable, street-smart ass-kicker who kept her head when things got intense, which is pretty much everything the original Kitty wasn't but wished she was.


DXMachina - Jun 26, 2004 6:23:58 pm PDT #4223 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

I may be conflating stories (I wasn't a regular reader until around issue #175), but I seem to recall Franklin being present in their 1969 moon landing story, and not as an infant.

Aha, Google provides the answer. He was born November 1968, so he was around for the moon landing, but he was less than a year old.


CaBil - Jun 26, 2004 8:38:52 pm PDT #4224 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Kitty seems, however, mysteriously young. Not like a woman that's boffed Pete Wisdom and mourned Magneto's passing.

Immediately after that storyline, the next writer to handle her, Claremont himself, basically said he was ignoring that part of contuity, for Kitty to maintain her iconic role in the X-men, and it has been maintained that way since...