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Mr. Broom - Jun 20, 2004 5:05:48 pm PDT #4032 of 10000
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

The animated DoFP was a conflation of the comic version and Bishop's story. Bishop is from an entirely different alternate future in the comics, a future that only barely resembles the cartoon version. Forge's involvement, for example, was pretty much them trying to get his character more screen time on the cartoon show.

Recap time!

In the comics, Bishop's is a future in which there are no surviving X-Men except one, an old man called the Witness, because he was the one who saw it all (he's very clearly an older Gambit). His cryptic remarks to Bishop and a scrambled recording of Jean Grey are all he has to go on. They lead him to suspect that Gambit was himself the traitor.

He doesn't actually go back to prevent the betrayal; he goes back to capture a psycho mutant called Fitzroy who travels back to our present to escape. In the process, he and Fitzroy both get stranded and Bishop's two best friends die. He stays with the X-Men to learn the truth. As said above, the Onslaught arc resolves this.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 20, 2004 5:34:55 pm PDT #4033 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Good call, because, you know, DD's girlfriends have the life expectancy of a Spinal Tap drummer.

This is why Matt Murdock and Jean Grey should have been a couple. Dying girlfriend problem solved!

Hal's not the Original GL.

Just the best-known and brightest.

I'd take issue with that last. I'm more a fan of Alan Scott than Hal Jordan, though I'll admit that the Denny O'Neil run was the best-written treatment of Green Lantern.


Jeff Mejia - Jun 20, 2004 6:42:19 pm PDT #4034 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

I'd take issue with that last. I'm more a fan of Alan Scott than Hal Jordan, though I'll admit that the Denny O'Neil run was the best-written treatment of Green Lantern.

Well, in the comics, it was always said later on that Hal Jordan was the greatest Green Lantern of them all, unitl he went nuts.


P.M. Marc - Jun 20, 2004 7:03:14 pm PDT #4035 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Yeah, what Jeff said.

My personal Green Lantern is John. John rocks. Then it's a toss-up between Alan and Kyle. Then Hal, then Guy. But in the 'verse, Hal's the one that you measure GLs by.


CaBil - Jun 21, 2004 9:44:53 am PDT #4036 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Hee!

Just read my store's preview copy of Astonishing Xmen #2!

Just one very minor spoiler to say about it.

Lockheed rules !


victor infante - Jun 21, 2004 12:35:40 pm PDT #4037 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

My personal Green Lantern is John. John rocks.

Dude. That's like saying Tim Dalton's the best Bond! (:


P.M. Marc - Jun 21, 2004 12:39:02 pm PDT #4038 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Dude. That's like saying Tim Dalton's the best Bond! (:

Nuh-uh!

Though I'd say that saying Guy's the best GL is like saying Moore's the best Bond.

John Stewart rocks. And I'm NOT just saying that because of toon canon conflation.


Kalshane - Jun 21, 2004 12:43:35 pm PDT #4039 of 10000
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Question about Identity Crisis #1 of no real importance, but my only familiarity with the Teen Titans is from the cartoon. (Not sure if this even counts as spoilery, but just in case.) I recognized all the other cartoon Titans in the funeral scene, but I didn't see Raven. Is she still around?


victor infante - Jun 21, 2004 1:27:23 pm PDT #4040 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

John Stewart rocks. And I'm NOT just saying that because of toon canon conflation.

See, this I just don't get. John always strikes me as kind of a vacuum, except when he was an ex-Green Lantern, in which case he became a slightly more nuanced character. In JLA lately, he's been pretty much a blank slate.

Kyle, on the other hand, rocks. Still, love him though I do, I'm big on the classics: Alan Scott is the OTL.

And Kalshane, I.C. probably takes place before the most recent Titans story, where Raven is returning. (Unfortunately, as a pawn of Brother Blood. Otherwise, Raven's been mostly absent for the past few years, poping upin Titans on occassion, but not really involved with them.


P.M. Marc - Jun 21, 2004 1:30:24 pm PDT #4041 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

See, this I just don't get. John always strikes me as kind of a vacuum, except when he was an ex-Green Lantern, in which case he became a slightly more nuanced character. In JLA lately, he's been pretty much a blank slate.

Is GL one of your regular reads? Because I fell for him in GL, not in JLA.

Not shockingly, I think I fell for him under Winick's run.