I said I'm sorry. I've made mistakes, but fear was never one of them.

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P.M. Marc - Jun 17, 2004 9:15:55 pm PDT #4002 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I think this issue should be used as an object lesson on how character should be driving a comic book story.

Most certainly. Also in how to do a between-arcs issue well. (There's a GA that's pretty much the reverse case, in between Straight Shooter and City Walls that's how *not* to do one, IMO, though I think it suffered from having a guest writer.)

I love this issue so much. I've been randomly thinking of it and grinning today.

I really scored on a big run of Green Arrow (first series) issues, all in probably Very Fine condition, at the rate of 5 for $1. Since I'm collect GA, this was a major score, and filled up almost all of Connor's run as GA after Ollie died.

Sweet! That would be mostly Dixon's run that you got?


Jeff Mejia - Jun 18, 2004 2:27:47 am PDT #4003 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

Sweet! That would be mostly Dixon's run that you got?

Yes. I don't know if he directly took over from Grell after #80, but I'm looking at #83 right not (with the Huntress on the cover, no less), and Dixon was writing it by then. Oops, reading the letter column, it's apparent that #83 was his first GA issue.

(There's a GA that's pretty much the reverse case, in between Straight Shooter and City Walls that's how *not* to do one, IMO, though I think it suffered from having a guest writer.)

Yes, the dreaded "fill-in issue". You're talking about the one with the Arrowcar, right? Written by Scott Beatty? One of the drawbacks of the consistent monthly schedule is that these fill-ins become necessary to give the artist(s) time to breathe. It's better when the fill-in is still written by the main writer, but I know that many editors keep a "slush pile" for fill-in purposes on each title, just in case.


sumi - Jun 18, 2004 4:37:53 am PDT #4004 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

There have been at least 3 long-time relationships in the DC-verse that have broken up recently? I started wondering if this might be something that the IC might affect somehow.


P.M. Marc - Jun 18, 2004 5:06:35 am PDT #4005 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Yes, the dreaded "fill-in issue". You're talking about the one with the Arrowcar, right? Written by Scott Beatty?

Yerp. That one. Which, of course, just *had* to be the first GA I picked up months ago when I was deciding if I wanted to read it or not. Man, the Arrowcar issue was lame.

I keep thinking Beatty's written something I liked, too. But that wasn't it.

There have been at least 3 long-time relationships in the DC-verse that have broken up recently? I started wondering if this might be something that the IC might affect somehow.

Babs dumped Dick, Linda left Wally, and Jade dumped Kyle.

The only relationship I really see IC potentially affecting is Linda and Wally's marriage.


sumi - Jun 18, 2004 5:14:20 am PDT #4006 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

So, that's 4? (Because BoP mentions another -- unless that is off in the waaay past?)


P.M. Marc - Jun 18, 2004 5:16:30 am PDT #4007 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Sumi, technically, that hasn't actually happened yet, but BoP is ahead of the book where it does in terms of chronology.


sumi - Jun 18, 2004 5:19:30 am PDT #4008 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Ah. Never mind then.


Jeff Mejia - Jun 18, 2004 9:54:24 am PDT #4009 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

I keep thinking Beatty's written something I liked, too. But that wasn't it.

He was the regular writer on Batman:Gotham Knights before A.J. Lieberman took over, so that may be what you've been exposed to. He had a pretty good Huntress arc in his run there.


P.M. Marc - Jun 18, 2004 10:07:26 am PDT #4010 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

He was the regular writer on Batman:Gotham Knights before A.J. Lieberman took over, so that may be what you've been exposed to. He had a pretty good Huntress arc in his run there.

Heh. I just realized it's because he's the co-writer on my best beloved TPB, Batgirl: Year One that I know him.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 18, 2004 10:19:24 am PDT #4011 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Hey, did they re-do how Babs got into the Bat game? I've seen her origin story from back in the 60s, and it was kinda weak.