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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


Steph L. - Jun 17, 2004 8:48:50 am PDT #3931 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I don't actually know, b/c I don't know DC well enough. Please don't hold out on me just b/c I'm lacking the BoP love!

theirloveissopure

Tellmetellmetellme!


P.M. Marc - Jun 17, 2004 8:54:09 am PDT #3932 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Roy.


amych - Jun 17, 2004 8:54:30 am PDT #3933 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Sorry to be coy, Tep. It's Roy -- I just wanted to go google to be doubleextrasure I wasn't remembering wrong, since I don't have it in front of me.


Steph L. - Jun 17, 2004 8:54:58 am PDT #3934 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

And Roy is....?


DavidS - Jun 17, 2004 8:58:06 am PDT #3935 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Sweet Fancy Moses! I just spent half an hour on that site Ple linked with the Flash background, poking around at the various continuities of Flash, Hal Jordan and Titans. Why oh why oh why must every writing team that takes over a title completely erase the past of the characters they inherit? Power girl is from Krypton. No she's not, she's from ancient Atlantis. No she's not - she's allergic to diet soda and kryptonite. Feh!

And the Titans' storyline is utterly FUBAR. Raven running around stashing tiny bits of Trigon's soul? WTF? And Donna Troy/Troia had her backstory rewritten so many times it's an utterly muddled hash. At least she's got that going way back since Wonder Girl was originally Wonder Woman as a teen (like old school Superboy) and then they just...changed that to include her with the Titans. At least she's still dead for the moment.

It's interesting to see which storylines mattered enough to have them stick as Hard Canon. Frank Miller's Batman Year One became the definitive Bat-origin. Barry Allen has stayed dead too. That's one thing that apparently resonated from Crisis.


amych - Jun 17, 2004 8:59:55 am PDT #3936 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Roy Harper (aka Arsenal) used to be Green Arrow's youthful sidekick, and then grew up to be part of the Titans and then the Outsiders with Nightwing. They're old friends, and incredibly slashy together.

Roy used to be called "Speedy", which I blame for his descent into heroin addiction. He has an adorable kid. He's an even bigger man-ho than Dick.


Steph L. - Jun 17, 2004 9:02:47 am PDT #3937 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Roy used to be called "Speedy", which I blame for his descent into heroin addiction. He has an adorable kid. He's an even bigger man-ho than Dick.

Got it. I don't think I knew Speedy became Arsenal.


sumi - Jun 17, 2004 9:05:50 am PDT #3938 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Arsenal. Which you would know if you read The Outsiders!


P.M. Marc - Jun 17, 2004 9:06:55 am PDT #3939 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Sweet Fancy Moses! I just spent half an hour on that site Ple linked with the Flash background, poking around at the various continuities of Flash, Hal Jordan and Titans. Why oh why oh why must every writing team that takes over a title completely erase the past of the characters they inherit?

Because that's what comics *do*?

Many things, though, seem to have been pretty stable since Zero Hour. And most writing teams don't, at least not with the *good* characters.


DavidS - Jun 17, 2004 9:14:46 am PDT #3940 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Because that's what comics *do*?

True enough, and my reaction was probably exacerbated by reading summaries over decades. Guh, it's discouraging though. The Batfamily titles, though, seem to be particularly good about not resetting the consequential events like Babs getting shot by The Joker. (They haven't changed that, right?)