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§ ita § - Jun 07, 2004 3:27:25 pm PDT #3546 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The X-Man most likely to need rescuing?

Is NOT! tries furiously to work out who needs it more

But it's possible that I'm coloured by him in Ultimate, where he's oddly broody and forlorn.

Hey .. in the main title, isn't he making time with Husk? That's kinda gross.


Kalshane - Jun 07, 2004 3:34:22 pm PDT #3547 of 10000
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

I've always liked Apocalypse. Cause he's ginormous and apocalyptic.

Yeah, but then you do a team-up supercombo on his hand and he dies. Not exactly a fearsome enemy. t /X-Men vs. Street Fighter


Kalshane - Jun 07, 2004 3:39:36 pm PDT #3548 of 10000
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

But it's possible that I'm coloured by him in Ultimate, where he's oddly broody and forlorn.

Honestly, I think all of the Ultimate-verse X-men are pretty nifty. There's some I prefer original-verse and some I prefer Ultimate-verse, but I can't think of any I have issues with. Though I think Cyclops forgiving Wolverine for dropping him off a cliff was a little forced.


Steph L. - Jun 07, 2004 4:24:19 pm PDT #3549 of 10000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

No Man's Land is so good - I can't wait to see how they come back from that to modern Gotham.

That was my reaction, too -- because, reading it, there doesn't seem any way to come back from the devastation.


Jeff Mejia - Jun 07, 2004 6:01:40 pm PDT #3550 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

Catching up a bit...

No Man's Land is so good - I can't wait to see how they come back from that to modern Gotham. I just love post-disaster and apocalypse stories, so this is pushing all my buttons. The art is weirdly inconsistent though - characters look wildly different, even in a single volume (I'm just done with Vol 2, so it may be different in later books).

The reason the art is inconsistent is because No Man's Land (and man Batman trades) is made up of a multi-title extended crossover, with different art and writers for each title. If you look at the first page of, say, NML #2, you can see in the small print:

Originally published in magazine form as BATMAN:LEGENDS OF THE DARK KNIGHT 117, 119; BATMAN: SHADOW OF THE BAT 85,86,87; BATMAN 565; DETECTIVE COMICS 732,733; BATMAN CHRONICLES 16.

Each title has its own writer and art team, but one writer is given the overall responsibility of "driving" the crossover (plus massive planning amongs the editorial staff). I'm not sure who drove NML, but I would guess Denny O'Neill.

Superman Birthright #11 - By this time, I'm just collecting it to keep the run intact.

Buh? Whu? I love Birthright. Clark Kent -- a woobie in all media.
I can't quite put my finger on it, but the title seems to have lost the sense of urgency and "newness" that the early issues had. It seems to have devolved to a big brawl, and you know who's going to win.

I forgot to mention that Flash #210 came out last week. Nightwing had a prominent guest role in the issue, and they even had a flashback to when Dick snuck Wally into the Batcave the first time, back when they were still Robin and Kid Flash. Good stuff. If anybody needs backstory on recent Flash happenings, just ask.


Caterpillar Drive - Jun 07, 2004 6:30:10 pm PDT #3551 of 10000
Tonight, I am the Law.

The No Man's Land superarc was at its time the latest and most ambitious arc of the Batman label up to that point, if I'm not mistaken. I started paying attention to Batman stories during the Lonely Place of Dying arc and then tried to follow it through over the years. The Venom one was disturbing, Sword of Azrael perplexing.

I really liked the earlier Knightfall-Knightquest-Knightsend storyline too.

Wasn't Contagion a maxi-type series too?


Mala - Jun 08, 2004 3:17:21 am PDT #3552 of 10000

Thanks Jeff. I totally missed that bit of information. I had naively thought that it was all done in one series and that they sure did change artists and writers alot! (Maybe I shouldn't admit to being this dopey, but I find shame overrated). This does explain the changes in tone and the jumping from one storyline to the other. I haven't minded those things because the arc does all tie together, but it's definitely noticeable.


Snacky - Jun 08, 2004 5:10:23 am PDT #3553 of 10000
Like I need a hole in my head

About Madelyne Pryor:

After Jean's death, Cyclops meets and marries and has a child with Madeline Pryor. Then Jean comes back, and Mr. Summers dumps her and the kid without a backward glance to get back into Jean's pants. Cad.

One thing to note about that is Maddy is Jean's double - later revealed to be a clone made by Sinister. I think that just adds a whole nother level of creepiness on Scott's part.


§ ita § - Jun 08, 2004 5:12:32 am PDT #3554 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Christ, Snacky, how could I have forgotten to mention that? It's huge. Thanks.


Kiba Rika - Jun 08, 2004 5:34:54 am PDT #3555 of 10000
I may have to seize the cat.

Snacky and ita - that was the part of it that really creeps me out. The other bit just convinces me more and more of what an asshole Scott is; that is creeeeepy.